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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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 Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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The debate on this thread has already been framed as an "either-or" proposition.
I think that it's clear from the context what the intended meaning of "tomato's" statement was, and these grammatical nitpickings are irrelevant to the argument that I made.
Of course to save his side some further intellectual embarassment, "tomato" will back-up "mindmetoo's" devious interpretation.
The so-called pro-evolutionist side is as shameless as they come (plus they're ugly  ) |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| The so-called pro-evolutionist side is as shameless as they come (plus they're ugly ) |
This, from the Elvis singing swami...
who, apparently, has run out of "arguments" since he has now degenerated into slander.
Where's your karma now? |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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There's no karma incurred for calling a spade a spade (or responding to insults with better quality insults that at least have some humor value...  )
And "slander" is hardly applicable - of course, it's the wrong term anyway. 
"the_beaver" made reference to knowing one's audience. It's pretty clear that in his case he's only familiar with captive audiences.  |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| There's no karma incurred for calling a spade a spade (or responding to insults with better quality insults that at least have some humor value... ) |
Yes, your razor sharp wit is an inspiration to us all.
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| And "slander" is hardly applicable - of course, it's the wrong term anyway. |
You calling pro-evolutionists "ugly" and "shameless", that's not slander...
I guess it's the only way you can continue to support your "argument." |
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Underwaterbob
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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All humans will die without ever really experiencing their body's full potential! They will never really feel and experience the powers of the brain!
We are limited! Because we doubt!
Yoga and meditation works! Its a scientific fact! To be the best at yoga and meditation you must believe in God...
Non believers will never experience there true capabilities of their own mind body and soul! |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
All humans will die without ever really experiencing their body's full potential! They will never really feel and experience the powers of the brain!
We are limited! Because we doubt!
Yoga and meditation works! Its a scientific fact! To be the best at yoga and meditation you must believe in God...
Non believers will never experience there true capabilities of their own mind body and soul! |
From the "agnostic." |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher you keep demonstrating you should just stop being god's spokesperson. |
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toowise
Joined: 27 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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All humans will die without ever really experiencing their body's full potential! They will never really feel and experience the powers of the brain!
so says the ultimate guru of all knowledge, NOT!
We are limited! Because we doubt!
Yoga and meditation works! Its a scientific fact! To be the best at yoga and meditation you must believe in God...
It is not a scientific fact, do you have any proof to back this up? No? Oh too bad....belief does not equal crap...actually let me rephase that...belief is crap
Non believers will never experience there true capabilities of their own mind body and soul!
Take another hit off the bong. You are talking about 2 things that only exist in the minds of believers....not fact....not truth....just more nonsense from idiots who crave to believe! |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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At least I respect God enough to capitalize the first letter of the word used to denote the one Supreme Controller of all matter and spirit.
Since the Supreme Person is the unlimited source of all beauty, those who would like to limit Him - or cut off His connection to the material creation - are limiting their own beauty.
And total abscence of beauty is sheer ugliness.
Those who are most envious of God - wanting to lord it over nature themselves without acknowledging Him as real owner of everything - are inwardly the most ugly (though they may be highly acclaimed and regarded as "beautiful people" by materialists)
Regarding the post just made by "toowise" in which he dismisses and bashes all spirituality as worthless "belief", I think the distinction needs to be made between belief, faith, and knowledge.
Beliefs deal with relative truths and are products of our mind only.
Faith is an assumption about Absolute Truth that eternally underlies all reality - whether we believe it or not. Faith makes the choice between trust and doubt in something sublime based on the joining of mind and heart.
Knowing is based on our experience and personal realization - not speculation.
The argument against faith based on scientific rationality is valid only withing the limited parameters of science and does not apply to Absolute Truth.
Here's a nice essay on this topic...
http://www.lightomega.org/Ind/Pure/Belief_Faith_and_Knowing.html |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| At least I respect God enough to capitalize the first letter of the word used to denote the one Supreme Controller of all matter and spirit. |
I don't respect santa either. Oh no! |
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itaewonguy
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| toowise wrote: |
so says the ultimate guru of all knowledge, NOT! |
Right.. so Love is bullshit too right?
Man I feel sorry for you that you have never experienced first love!
Or even the love of your child! Because to you... it�s all bullshit!
Wow we have a nihilist in the thread!!
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| It is not a scientific fact, do you have any proof to back this up? No? Oh too bad....belief does not equal crap...actually let me rephase that...belief is crap |
To succeed, we must first believe that we can.
Can you scientifically prove to me that you love your mother?
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| You are talking about 2 things that only exist in the minds of believers....not fact....not truth....just more nonsense from idiots who crave to believe! |
Meditation brings wisdom; lack of mediation leaves ignorance!
You will never know! So there is no point discussing it with you...
NOT truth? Not FACT?
To who?? Ohhh to you!
No pessimist ever discovered the secrets of the stars, or sailed to an uncharted land.
You think millions of people all over the world who practice tantra yoga or other such practices don�t receive any benefits??? haHHAHAHA
OK HERO!
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From the "agnostic." |
I never said I was trained or I believe purely in the divine!
I just said, to reach the ultimate in enlightenment through meditation one should believe in the divine! Then you could reach your full bodies potential! Like I said humans die without experiencing it...
You need to study about yoga and meditation to understand it...
But frankly bob its useless to you... As you doubt too much and you will never accept it, so you will just be wasting your time so therefore you will never experience anything...
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| Right.. so Love is bullshit too right? |
Maybe not, but your straw man constructions are bullshit.
Since love can be easily explained as an evolutionary trait, especially among the Mammal Class, we don't need all this lofty religious rhetoric.
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Man I feel sorry for you that you have never experienced first love!
Or even the love of your child! Because to you... it�s all bullshit!
Wow we have a nihilist in the thread!! |
Then you must have seen a card reading "This is to certify that Toowise is a member of the Nihilist Party."
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| To succeed, we must first believe that we can. |
From this premise, you arrive at the conclusion that religious belief is tantamount to fact?
I'm afraid you lost me.
Could you please go through that line of reasoning slowly, and step by step?
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| Can you scientifically prove to me that you love your mother? |
We have biofeedback devices, and we know about secretion of hormones.
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| No pessimist ever discovered the secrets of the stars, or sailed to an uncharted land. |
How have the secrets of fhe stars been discovered?
By science or by religion?
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| You think millions of people all over the world who practice tantra yoga or other such practices don�t receive any benefits??? haHHAHAHA |
I grant you that point.
Perhaps religious skeptics should give meditation a fair trial.
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I never said I was trained or I believe purely in the divine!
I just said, to reach the ultimate in enlightenment through meditation one should believe in the divine! |
Let me see if I understand you correctly:
You don't necessarily believe that God exists, but you thnk there are benefits in believing that God exists. Is that right?
I want to make sure I understand you correctly, because I am careful not to misquote other people--unlike some people I know.
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| As you doubt too much and you will never accept it, so you will just be wasting your time so therefore you will never experience anything... |
From the mere fact that he disagrees with you, you can judge his character and read his fortune?
You are amazing! |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
Maybe not, but your straw man constructions are bullshit.
Since love can be easily explained as an evolutionary trait, especially among the Mammal Class, we don't need all this lofty religious rhetoric. |
that aint a strawman! thats fact! you cant prove to me you love your mother!
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| To succeed, we must first believe that we can. |
| tomato wrote: |
From this premise, you arrive at the conclusion that religious belief is tantamount to fact?
I'm afraid you lost me.
Could you please go through that line of reasoning slowly, and step by step? |
nothing to do with religion! i
and no I wont go step by step for you.. becuase there is no point!
your mind is closed! and nothing will open it! YOU will never experience the full potential of your being! but its ok tomato, you are not alone..
I wont either..
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| Can you scientifically prove to me that you love your mother? |
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| We have biofeedback devices, and we know about secretion of hormones. |
so bascially you have shit!
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| No pessimist ever discovered the secrets of the stars, or sailed to an uncharted land. |
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How have the secrets of fhe stars been discovered?
By science or by religion? |
by a believer who gazed apon them!
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I never said I was trained or I believe purely in the divine!
I just said, to reach the ultimate in enlightenment through meditation one should believe in the divine! |
| tomato wrote: |
Let me see if I understand you correctly:
You don't necessarily believe that God exists, but you thnk there are benefits in believing that God exists. Is that right? |
YES!
| tomato wrote: |
| I want to make sure I understand you correctly, because I am careful not to misquote other people--unlike some people I know. |
you just can't not insult someone can you! I told you. you guys are all the same!
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| As you doubt too much and you will never accept it, so you will just be wasting your time so therefore you will never experience anything... |
| tomato wrote: |
From the mere fact that he disagrees with you, you can judge his character and read his fortune?
You are amazing! |
not because he disagrees with me! Im just telling you how it is..
His character like yours, is a non believer! so right there you have made a wall for yourself! |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
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| As you doubt too much and you will never accept it, so you will just be wasting your time so therefore you will never experience anything... |
| tomato wrote: |
From the mere fact that he disagrees with you, you can judge his character and read his fortune?
You are amazing! |
not because he disagrees with me! Im just telling you how it is..
His character like yours, is a non believer! so right there you have made a wall for yourself! |
You're telling who how it is? Who has made a wall for themselves? By claiming agnosticism, you're just as much a non-believer as I am. I've never said there is nothing that would change my mind. You're wasting time sitting on the fence on the issue, at least I've made my (non-indelible) choice. |
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