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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| I guess for most straight men raised in America like me, the only problem I have with gays is when they want to change laws. Then I can say, hey, anyone who believes in alternative marriage has a right to speak out: the guy who wants to marry his sister, the Islam or Mormon guy who wants to have ten wives, the twelve year old who wants to marry the school teacher. Oh yeah, it's all real love they tell the judge, but why do gays get a free pass and all those others I just mentioned get labeled as freaks? |
This is junk and you know it. |
No, it isn't. You have to draw the line somewhere. Two cohabiting sodomites do not a marriage make. It's only 2 mentally diseased perverts infecting each other and pretending it's a relationship. |
Where is that line? Marrying your sister = likely chance of major birth defects. Polygamy has been shown to directly correlate to likelihood of abusive behavior. A twelve year is obviously not mature enough to make decisions regarding marriage. What harm do two consenting, same-sex adults do?
I'm curious, with all the vitriol you spit, you seem to think homosexuality is limited to men. I'd argue lesbians are far less likely to spread STDs than any other couple, so by your standards to them you are a "disease vector". |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Gah, this site is dying. Nowadays it's click submit, go read a three page article elsewhere, come back and hope it's through. |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| seosan08 wrote: |
| jajdude wrote: |
| beast wrote: |
| I guess for most straight men raised in America like me, the only problem I have with gays is when they want to change laws. Then I can say, hey, anyone who believes in alternative marriage has a right to speak out: the guy who wants to marry his sister, the Islam or Mormon guy who wants to have ten wives, the twelve year old who wants to marry the school teacher. Oh yeah, it's all real love they tell the judge, but why do gays get a free pass and all those others I just mentioned get labeled as freaks? |
This is junk and you know it. |
No, it isn't. You have to draw the line somewhere. Two cohabiting sodomites do not a marriage make. It's only 2 mentally diseased perverts infecting each other and pretending it's a relationship. |
Where is that line? Marrying your sister = likely chance of major birth defects. Polygamy has been shown to directly correlate to likelihood of abusive behavior. A twelve year is obviously not mature enough to make decisions regarding marriage. What harm do two consenting, same-sex adults do?
I'm curious, with all the vitriol you spit, you seem to think homosexuality is limited to men. I'd argue lesbians are far less likely to spread STDs than any other couple, so by your standards to them you are a "disease vector". |
It's OK to rape dykes, gives them something to think about! |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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More sodomite propaganda. Maybe Koreans should come to this website and see who's teaching their children and what. And probably molesting them as well! Maybe they should know, so they can deport all of them. |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| More sodomite propaganda. Maybe Koreans should come to this website and see who's teaching their children and what. And probably molesting them as well! Maybe they should know, so they can deport all of them. |
wow! you really are a repugnant fool.
I'm not gay. i just believe that maybe the same rights afforded to
heteros should be applied to homosexuals as well.
Did the study hit too close to home my friend? |
Actually, I've been trolling these threads, because of "tolerant" idiots like you. It's amazing how the liberals demand toleration, etc... But are the least tolerant themselves. Look at the beginning statement by the OP:
"If you cant comfortably watch two men kissing I think you are homophobic."
It starts with a loaded statement, and any disagreement, you are called a "homophobe/bigot/hater/crypto f@g," etc... It goes downhill from there. All the liberal/progressive thinkers or whatever they choose to think of themselves are even narrower and more full of hate than anyone think that they oppose. What a pathetic bunch of hypocrites! |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Actually, I've been trolling these threads, because of "tolerant" idiots like you. It's amazing how the liberals demand toleration, etc... But are the least tolerant themselves. Look at the beginning statement by the OP:
"If you cant comfortably watch two men kissing I think you are homophobic."
It starts with a loaded statement, and any disagreement, you are called a "homophobe/bigot/hater/crypto f@g," etc... It goes downhill from there. All the liberal/progressive thinkers or whatever they choose to think of themselves are even narrower and more full of hate than anyone think that they oppose. What a pathetic bunch of hypocrites! |
I fail to see how the belief that homosexuals deserve the same rights as heterosexuals makes one a liberal. There are plenty of conservatives who feel queers should be given the same rights as heteros as well. Homophobia is based in religion not political orientation, though of course political values may be influenced by religion. Your homophobia is merely an expression of the religious values that you grew up with, not rational thought, nor scientific evidence.
Your aggressiveness and lack of critical thinking ability marks you an outcast more than anyone's sexual orientation. Striking out at a subgroup of society to hide your own insecurities is a well know, and well documented, symptom of the immature defence mechanisms exhibited by juvenile males. |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Actually, I've been trolling these threads, because of "tolerant" idiots like you. It's amazing how the liberals demand toleration, etc... But are the least tolerant themselves. Look at the beginning statement by the OP:
"If you cant comfortably watch two men kissing I think you are homophobic."
It starts with a loaded statement, and any disagreement, you are called a "homophobe/bigot/hater/crypto f@g," etc... It goes downhill from there. All the liberal/progressive thinkers or whatever they choose to think of themselves are even narrower and more full of hate than anyone think that they oppose. What a pathetic bunch of hypocrites! |
I fail to see how the belief that homosexuals deserve the same rights as heterosexuals makes one a liberal. There are plenty of conservatives who feel queers should be given the same rights as heteros as well. Homophobia is based in religion not political orientation, though of course political values may be influenced by religion. Your homophobia is merely an expression of the religious values that you grew up with, not rational thought, nor scientific evidence.
Your aggressiveness and lack of critical thinking ability marks you an outcast more than anyone's sexual orientation. Striking out at a subgroup of society to hide your own insecurities is a well know, and well documented, symptom of the immature defence mechanisms exhibited by juvenile males. |
*YAWN!* |
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beast
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| So reflexively everyone dismisses my post. Yet, why can no person here intelligently debate why Mormons or Muslims should not be legally allowed to marry mutilple wives? It's been part of their culture for years, yet when I draw a comparison between them and gays as a legitimate form of alternative marriage, everyone dismisses it. So all the Muslims and Mormons, and African tribes that believe in a husband having numerous wives is wrong? Even though the practice has been going on for centuries. Yet gays in America somehow deserve to be treated the same as heterosexual couples. I say sure, open the floodgates for all alternative forms of marriage. Don't act likes gays are in a class of their own. That's like saying, blacks is should get rights that are not offered to Hspanics or Asians. That's called racism. |
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Gimpokid
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Why are the people on this site so obsessed with definatively labeling people as racists, bigots, homophobes, etc.?
It's all a giant spectrum. It may sound strange but bigotry and anti bigotry are not mutually exclusive and both traits can be applied to EVERYONE, because these labels are just as ambiguous as race and sexuality themselves. It's not a question of being a homophobe or racist, it's a question of how much of one you are.
So I will be the first person to honestly answer this question. Yes I am a homophobe. I don't want to *beep* guys. the notion that homosexuality exists makes question my sexuality and I feel threatened.
I also believe that homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality and they shouldn't be discriminated against. See? Homophobe and anti-homophobic.
In terms of both race and sexuality you will not find a honest person who is any different.
PS the test where they put a rubber band around your wang and make you watch gay porn has been proven to be flawed. There's a disconnect between mental and physical sexual arousal. Anyone who has boned an ugly chick knows that. |
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Gimpokid
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| So reflexively everyone dismisses my post. Yet, why can no person here intelligently debate why Mormons or Muslims should not be legally allowed to marry mutilple wives? It's been part of their culture for years, yet when I draw a comparison between them and gays as a legitimate form of alternative marriage, everyone dismisses it. So all the Muslims and Mormons, and African tribes that believe in a husband having numerous wives is wrong? Even though the practice has been going on for centuries. Yet gays in America somehow deserve to be treated the same as heterosexual couples. I say sure, open the floodgates for all alternative forms of marriage. Don't act likes gays are in a class of their own. That's like saying, blacks is should get rights that are not offered to Hspanics or Asians. That's called racism. |
*Sigh* What's so hard about this? As it stands heterosexuals are given rights not enjoyed by the others. The logical solution to your line of thinking would be to not allow anyone to get married.
Marriage is social construct designed to fufill a certain purpose and it's most effective when applied to a diadic relationship.
Very few people can argue against polyamory until it's practice infringes upon the wellbeing of others and gives MORE priviledge to a certain group. This is the exact opposite of what anti gay marriage folks are after. |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| So reflexively everyone dismisses my post. Yet, why can no person here intelligently debate why Mormons or Muslims should not be legally allowed to marry mutilple wives? It's been part of their culture for years, yet when I draw a comparison between them and gays as a legitimate form of alternative marriage, everyone dismisses it. So all the Muslims and Mormons, and African tribes that believe in a husband having numerous wives is wrong? Even though the practice has been going on for centuries. Yet gays in America somehow deserve to be treated the same as heterosexual couples. I say sure, open the floodgates for all alternative forms of marriage. Don't act likes gays are in a class of their own. That's like saying, blacks is should get rights that are not offered to Hspanics or Asians. That's called racism. |
Beast, your previous post was dismissed because it displayed an absence of even rudimentary reasoning ability.
Nobody has argued against polyamory, it is a religio-cultural practice that is accepted in some cultures and not in others. You can't compare the cultural practices of non-western peoples to those living in Western countries, however, given that western democracies divide between church and state. Ergo, giving homosexuals and other minority groups the same status as white heterosexuals is a human rights issue, whereas allowing polygamy and polyandry is a cultural issue.
If the above was a little above your grade level, let me put it dumb it down a little for you. In western cultures nobody is allowed multiple partners and, while such a rule might be considered unjust, it applies to everybody and is therefore non-discriminatory. If homosexuals are not allowed to marry in a western nation they are discriminated against because another group, i.e. heterosexuals, can marry.
If, in a nation that divides between church and state, homosexuals are not allowed to marry, one has to ask why that is so. In the case of the US it is because the majority of the population is religious and their vote decided an issue where religion should not be allowed to influence the decision, i.e. a human rights decision. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| So reflexively everyone dismisses my post. Yet, why can no person here intelligently debate why Mormons or Muslims should not be legally allowed to marry mutilple wives? ... |
OK, I'll argue it. People should be allowed to have multiple wives if all parties are in agreement about it. While personally I feel one is too many, if masochists out there want to have 3 or 5, who am I to involve myself in their lives?
I once saw an interview with a group of plural wives who said they liked the arrangement because they were all friends, and got to share the housework, childcare, and sexual responsibilities.
Anyone disagree? |
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Gimpokid
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Anyone disagree? |
No, but I think you would also have to allow multiple marriages also. Let people live in not genetically related extended families to keep the gene pool divese and not give any special treatment to people who choose not to live this way.
I would be in heaven. It would be a challenge maintianing the sexual health of a large group, but 7 dudes who rotate 7 chicks every night of the week would be killer. We just got get over the whole poessesive monogamy thing.
Oh and I'd want my own room. |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| We just got get over the whole poessesive monogamy thing. |
Evolutionary psychology says you won't. |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I've been trolling these threads, because of "tolerant" idiots like you. It's amazing how the liberals demand toleration, etc... But are the least tolerant themselves. Look at the beginning statement by the OP:
"If you cant comfortably watch two men kissing I think you are homophobic."
It starts with a loaded statement, and any disagreement, you are called a "homophobe/bigot/hater/crypto f@g," etc... It goes downhill from there. All the liberal/progressive thinkers or whatever they choose to think of themselves are even narrower and more full of hate than anyone think that they oppose. What a pathetic bunch of hypocrites! |
I fail to see how the belief that homosexuals deserve the same rights as heterosexuals makes one a liberal. There are plenty of conservatives who feel queers should be given the same rights as heteros as well. Homophobia is based in religion not political orientation, though of course political values may be influenced by religion. Your homophobia is merely an expression of the religious values that you grew up with, not rational thought, nor scientific evidence.
Your aggressiveness and lack of critical thinking ability marks you an outcast more than anyone's sexual orientation. Striking out at a subgroup of society to hide your own insecurities is a well know, and well documented, symptom of the immature defence mechanisms exhibited by juvenile males. |
Plenty of conservatives who think so?!? Even CA voted it down, the only ones who wanted it were the disease vectors in SoCal. Show me some conservatives who are for it? Maybe Barney Frank or Teddy K. More sodomite propaganda. |
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