|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
|
 Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: |
 |
|
I thought this thread was about Creation and Evolution.
Itaewonguy, if you want to talk about 메에에에롱,
why don't you start a thread about 메에에에롱. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
You're telling who how it is? Who has made a wall for themselves? By claiming agnosticism, you're just as much a non-believer as I am. I've never said there is nothing that would change my mind. You're wasting time sitting on the fence on the issue, at least I've made my (non-indelible) choice. |
you are right! I have also made a wall for myself becuase I ask to many questions and therefore can not accept oneside with the evidence lacking so much.. I have some doubt also, so I could never reach it even if I was a pure believer.
hey this is nothing personal, Im just saying to be a full on meditator you should have no doubt! and you should believe in The One..
thats all I am saying, if you wish to dispute that go ahead..
but please if you dispute it, then tell me what it takes to be the best meditator and experience the full potential of your mind body and soul
Its not like I am holding a card in front of you and saying NEH HEH NEH NEH NEH... look what I can do , and yooouuu cannnttt...
I was just saying, we all live without experiencing our full capabilities..
and we will all die without even touching the surface of the power we have.
| tomato wrote: |
I thought this thread was about Creation and Evolution.
Itaewonguy, if you want to talk about 메에에에롱,
why don't you start a thread about 메에에에롱. |
jez soooorry, I was getting a little bored, think everyone was, was a few names being called and more sarcasm than usual, just thought I would throw a curve ball out there to cool the tension down for a day or two, and try and spice up the thread.. I mean its not like we are all flogging a dead horse or anything now is it..  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
From the advertising which Transcendental Meditation puts out,
you would think that it was impossible to emit alpha waves without their help.
I once knew someone who paid the full price, went through the whole ceremony, and later read a report of a study which found that 90% of adults can emit alpha waves just by closing their eyes.
My friend said, "I've been ripped off!" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| tomato wrote: |
From the advertising which Transcendental Meditation puts out,
you would think that it was impossible to emit alpha waves without their help.
I once knew someone who paid the full price, went through the whole ceremony, and later read a report of a study which found that 90% of adults can emit alpha waves just by closing their eyes.
My friend said, "I've been ripped off!" |
He was nothing more than a tourist!
Sure get a crash course in meditation, practice some yoga for 3 months takes a holiday to India and Thailand and wear bohemian clothes made out of hemp and now you think you are part of this whole meditation movement and are in tune with the world on a spiritual level!
Yeah right.... kind of sounds like something I would do for a hobby hahhaha
I'm talking more about Professional mind travelers! Humans who reach a real state of enlightenment by using the natural chemicals released into ones brain to reach that place to be connected to the mind body and soul...
Ultimately at the very end there will come a question for total ecstasy.
Which will be? GOD! Now if you truly believe in god! Then you will reach that place wouldn�t you?
I don't think it�s possible to reach that place believing in the marshmallow man because any real person will doubt it... therefore you wouldnt reach that final level...
But a devotee of spirituality can do more than a human full of doubt!
I doubt too much... sometimes I wish I didnt! Sometimes I wish I could just live simple... but I just can't! So I'm stuck on the fence!
BUT! I wouldn�t mind trying mediation and some spiritualism. Of course I would not be able to reach very far because I will doubt what I am doing,
But still might get basic benefits out of it, energy, stress free, etc... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| tomato wrote: |
I thought this thread was about Creation and Evolution.
|
It's evolved into something far more hideous. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| ED209 wrote: |
| tomato wrote: |
I thought this thread was about Creation and Evolution.
|
It's evolved into something far more hideous. |
Yes. It's about explaining Rteacher's job to him. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
| tomato wrote: |
From the advertising which Transcendental Meditation puts out,
you would think that it was impossible to emit alpha waves without their help.
I once knew someone who paid the full price, went through the whole ceremony, and later read a report of a study which found that 90% of adults can emit alpha waves just by closing their eyes.
My friend said, "I've been ripped off!" |
Yeah. I saw Kurt Vonnegut give a talk and he dabbled in TM for a while. Later he discovered you could achieve the same results simply reading a book. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
My job is to teach some bhakti yoga to scientific elites (and wannabes...)
Vonnegut did a nice job satirizing dehumanized scientists and phoney man-made religions in Cat's Cradle.
http://www.exampleessays.com/viewpaper/40038.html
Krishna devotees always regarded TM as just a business venture in the guise of spirituality. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
toowise
Joined: 27 Nov 2008
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Does it pay well? or is it based on results? I hope you dont depend on the pay from this job to live on! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm counting on you all becoming pure devotees and leading millions of souls back to the transcendental eternal abode - including me.
Unfortunately, the final results won't be in in time to be posted here... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Rteacher wrote: |
My job is to teach some bhakti yoga to scientific elites (and wannabes...)
Vonnegut did a nice job satirizing dehumanized scientists and phoney man-made religions in Cat's Cradle.
http://www.exampleessays.com/viewpaper/40038.html
Krishna devotees always regarded TM as just a business venture in the guise of spirituality. |
You do realize Vonnegut was an agnostic and Cat's Cradle mocked religion as much as it mocked science. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
His contradictory statements indicate some intellectual/emotional confusion.
From his Wikipedia bio it's obvious that he experienced various traumatic incidents that certainly tested his faith (including his mother's suicide on Mother's Day when he was 22, being a POW in Germany and witnessing the firebombing of Dresden, and his brother-in-law and sister both dying around the same time, leaving behind three young children which he adopted.)
...Vonnegut's views on religion were unconventional and nuanced. While rejecting the divinity of Jesus, he was nevertheless an ardent admirer, and believed that Jesus' Beatitudes informed his own humanist outlook. While he often identified himself as an agnostic or atheist, he also frequently spoke of God and despite describing freethought, humanism and agnosticism as his "ancestral religion," and despite being a Unitarian, he also spoke of himself as being irreligious. And while a press release by the American Humanist Association, he was claimed to have been "completely secular" His website quoted him as having said that his epitaph ought to read: "The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Vonnegut |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Rteacher wrote: |
His contradictory statements indicate some intellectual/emotional confusion.
From his Wikipedia bio it's obvious that he experienced various traumatic incidents that certainly tested his faith (including his mother's suicide on Mother's Day when he was 22, being a POW in Germany and witnessing the firebombing of Dresden, and his brother-in-law and sister both dying around the same time, leaving behind three young children which he adopted.)
...Vonnegut's views on religion were unconventional and nuanced. While rejecting the divinity of Jesus, he was nevertheless an ardent admirer, and believed that Jesus' Beatitudes informed his own humanist outlook. While he often identified himself as an agnostic or atheist, he also frequently spoke of God and despite describing freethought, humanism and agnosticism as his "ancestral religion," and despite being a Unitarian, he also spoke of himself as being irreligious. And while a press release by the American Humanist Association, he was claimed to have been "completely secular" His website quoted him as having said that his epitaph ought to read: "The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Vonnegut |
Thank you for documenting my point. He was not a believer.
Anyway, to the point. You're raised ID several times and several times I've asked you what ID explains and several times you've dodged that question. Let's try again now that we've let you do pages and pages of silly preaching.
Does ID explain anything? What? And how does it explain it? I've given you a couple examples of what I mean by "explain". You ask your mechanic why your car didn't start. He doesn't merely say "a demon did it". He explains a chain of events. Where did carbon come from? Cosmologists can give you a chain of events down to the quantum level.
Got anything like that from the ID world? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
I've repeatedly answered your materialistically biased question.
With respect to Origins Science, there should not be institutionalized, dogmatic materialistic assumptions any more than their should be institutionalized dogmatic teleological assumptions.
In the interests of objective scientific inquiry it should not be presupposed that origins of life and matter can best be explained mechanistically.
Explanations of origins from whatever philosophical perspective should also identify key assumptions and their evidentiary bias.
I think that the following definitions are acceptable:
Intelligent Cause: A cause attributable to a mind or some form of intelligence that can manipulate matter
and energy for a purpose.
Intelligent Design: An hypothesis that some natural phenomena are best explained by reference to Intelligent Causes rather than to only Material Causes. As such, Intelligent Design is the scientific disagreement with, and the falsifying hypothesis for, the claims of Chemical and Darwinian Evolution that the apparent design of certain natural phenomena is just an illusion. Intelligent design can also be viewed as the Science of design detection applied to natural phenomena.
I think I also can accept the basic principles expressed in this article:
STATEMENT OF OBJECTIVES regarding ORIGINS SCIENCE ...
http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/Statement_of_Objectives_Feb_12_07.pdf |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
