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murmanjake



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:08 am    Post subject: Embassy Rip-off? Reply with quote

I went to the US embassy the other day to get my passport replaced(i washed it in a pair of jeans the second day I was here). When i inquired over the phone a lady told me the fee was 100. Naturally i assumed she meant won, so when i got there and was told it was actually USD, and the fee in won was 150,000, i was a little taken aback, and after venting my frustrations with the secretary's unclear information(I conventiently had 143,000 won with me), i started wondering where they got their exchange rate.

upon arriving back home I looked it up, and it turns out the exchange rate for that day was 137,000 won to 100 USD.

Whats with this? Is the embassy trying to scam its own citizens? is it just too complicated to maintain a fluctuating fee schedule, so they charge just above the standard exchange rate?

When I think back on it I should have gone to a bank, exchanged my money, and returned...



On a related note this reminded me of the time i tried to buy a blanket in itaewon and the seller told me it was 25, but when i returned to buy it he said, no , no, 25 dollars, 30,000 won...I tried bargaining and sheepishly paid him 28,000 for it(i think he could tell i really wanted it).
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whatever



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather not discuss the exchange rate...
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cheeseface



Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Ssyangnyeon Shi

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you washed your passport!!!

Laughing Laughing

USA Embarassed
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murmanjake



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheeseface wrote:
you washed your passport!!!

Laughing Laughing

USA Embarassed


my artsy side appreciates the faded, worn and torn look...my practical side thinks china will turn him around at the airport once they notice the barcode in the back is half torn off...

that said it was one of my more brilliant moves since I've arrived here. on par with asking for a massage at a jim jill bong and getting an exfoliation instead. that was weird. especially when the dude actually made contact with my sack on a few swipes of my thigh. Guess i was too hungover to really care...
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you called the US EMBASSY and asked for a price. What did you expect it to be in? Rubles? Of course the US embassy is going to quote prices in US DOLLARS. The US embassy is US territory, not Korean. Yes, they also take Korean won as a convenience, but everything is priced in USD. Besides, wasn't it a clue when they said 100 instead of 100,000? Did you really expect it to cost just 100 KRW?

As for the exchange rate, they don't update it every day, probably just once a week or so. They can't keep it up to the second, they're not a bank.
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murmanjake



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyways, yes it was a misunderstanding which i never claimed wasn't partially my fault, and thanks for making me feel stupid, but that wasn't even my point.

if you're saying that the reason the rate is 150,000/100 is because they don't bother to update it that often, are you also saying if the rate went higher than 150,00 they wouldn't update the price immediately..? or that they'll fix the rate at a set date, even if it is a low rate?

it seems like once again im getting f*cked by some government policy without knowing why...
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

murmanjake wrote:
if you're saying that the reason the rate is 150,000/100 is because they don't bother to update it that often, are you also saying if the rate went higher than 150,00 they wouldn't update the price immediately..? or that they'll fix the rate at a set date, even if it is a low rate?


That's exactly what I'm saying. I went to the embassy on 6 November, and if you look at the rate from that day (using xe.com), it was 1331.85 KRW = 1USD. I paid 150USD for documents, that would have been the equivalent of 199,777.50 KRW. The receipt shows that the local price would have been 195,000, giving an exchange rate at the US embassy of 1300KRW = 1 USD.

See, they screwed themselves over by not using up-to-the-minute rates. They lost all of 4,777.5 KRW.

I guess they offset that by charging you a little more, so THANK YOU for paying more on my behalf from 6 weeks ago.

Besides, is 13,000 KRW really that big of a deal to you that you have to get your panties all in a bunch and rant about the gov't fucking you over on an internet board?
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, a bit of logic would have told you "100" means "100 usa dollars" and not "100 thousand Korean won". The US embassy is on US soil and prices things in US dollars, as Wal-Mart would in the suburbs of Chicago. The error was entirely on your part.

And they charge a generous exchange rate? Well, I don't know if you've been paying attention but the won sinks over night. They want to build in a buffer. An it's entirely customary for concerns to charge more than the posted exchange rate. I don't know many retailers, other than those that want to offer a kind of discount to attract customers, that give you the posted rates. Even your own bank will build in a buffer.


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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's also add into this that banks NEVER give little customers like you and me the actual exchange rate, they almost always build in at least 20-30KRW/USD to cover their fees. And it's worse if you buy cash instead of a wire transfer or TCs. So really, that means you only lost about 10,000 KRW on the exchange. That covers some of the time you would have had to spend sitting at the bank waiting, plus filling out all those stupid little forms.

Hey, I'd say you got a good deal on the whole thing.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you offer them dollars instead of the local currency. Pop round the bank before getting to the embassy.
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murmanjake



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I didn't have enough money(and dont have a bank account) I will be mailing my payment in via money order...

thanks for the information, and the embarassment. do people always try to make u feel like a schmuck on these boards?
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheeseface wrote:
you washed your passport!!!

Laughing Laughing

USA Embarassed


Mine was issued during the Bush years and I washed it to get the neocon stink off of it.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Well, a bit of logic would have told you "100" means "100 usa dollars" and not "100 thousand Korean won". The US embassy is on US soil and prices things in US dollars, as Wal-Mart would in the suburbs of Chicago. The error was entirely on your part.


Really? I am afraid your logic is flawed, as the Korean embassy in Fukuoka does not take Korean won as payment.

Before I went there, I was told the price in yen. I figured or hoped they'd take dollars, but was sure they'd take won. When I tried to give won, she repeated the yen price.

The conversation went something like this:
"Is this the Korean embassy?"
"Yes."
"So this is the Korean embassy and you don't take Korean won?"
"No."
"How about dollars?"
"No, only yen."
"Oh, this is the North Korean embassy, right?"

It was the South Korean embassy. Go figure.
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lebowski



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:
Well, a bit of logic would have told you "100" means "100 usa dollars" and not "100 thousand Korean won". The US embassy is on US soil and prices things in US dollars, as Wal-Mart would in the suburbs of Chicago. The error was entirely on your part.


Really? I am afraid your logic is flawed, as the Korean embassy in Fukuoka does not take Korean won as payment.

Before I went there, I was told the price in yen. I figured or hoped they'd take dollars, but was sure they'd take won. When I tried to give won, she repeated the yen price.

The conversation went something like this:
"Is this the Korean embassy?"
"Yes."
"So this is the Korean embassy and you don't take Korean won?"
"No."
"How about dollars?"
"No, only yen."
"Oh, this is the North Korean embassy, right?"

It was the South Korean embassy. Go figure.


It is not his logic that is flawed, nor yours, but rather Korea's embassies. Oh, do I have stories about Korean embassies, but that would take this thread of point.
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Louie



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once called the North Korean embassy in Beijing once by accident as I was trying to get info about notarizing documents there at the time (it was 2004, and all embassies were able and willing to notarize documents for the standard fee)

The conversation was like this (in Korean):

Me: Hello
Them: Yes?
Me: Do authenticate documents to be used by your immigration bureau?
Them: For what purpose?
Me: To teach
Them: At this time, we are not issuing visas for foreigners to teach.
Me: huh?
Them: We have no information concerning anyone going to teach in our country.
Me: Is this the Korean Embassy?
Them: This is the embassy for the People's Democratic Republic of Korea
Me: Oh....sorry! (click)



As for the exchange rate the US embassy uses- there are 2 rates of exchange that is used for diplomatic and military purposes......if anyone watches AFN, they would show the 2 rates for that day and the next.
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