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S. Palin haters: congratuations, you seem to have scored...
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
I do not know where else we might go from here, Mindmetoo, except that you may say "no, it is not" and I might counter "yes, it is." Propose we agree to disagree and leave it at that.


Anyone else I wouldn't back down, but I honestly respect you. So, deal.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. And the respect is mutual.
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Jandar



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Agree to disagree" is so weak.
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Gopher wrote:
I do not know where else we might go from here, Mindmetoo, except that you may say "no, it is not" and I might counter "yes, it is." Propose we agree to disagree and leave it at that.


Anyone else I wouldn't back down, but I honestly respect you. So, deal.


Another pansie wrote:
Thanks. And the respect is mutual.


Bloody girls!

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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I propose we make this thread a stickie.
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
People cannot stir up hysteria and then deny complicity when such consequences as these occur


Agreed. And, by logical extension, every one of you gringos that voted against McClain for Obama, a platform largely predicated upon denigrating the Bush administration, is 'responsible' (multiple tangents of responsibility here) for those two shoes that whizzed by his head (can we really be certain that had the American people not already shown their contempt for one of their own, Bush, foreigners would have been desensitized enough to act unruly towards him - you know, someone acts rudely towards someone because someone else already has)?

And had one of those shoes wiped him out you'd all be murdering Liberal bastards! Amen.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Response A): Nice rant. Feel better now? Yes? Good. Merry Christmas, In_Seoul_2003.

Response B): Somewhere in that confused muddle must lie a succinct, intelligible, non-rhetorical question directed at me. But I will be damned if I can find it.
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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Response B): Somewhere in that confused muddle must lie a succinct, intelligible, non-rhetorical question directed at me. But I will be damned if I can find it.


As befits the logic of your implication in the OP.

Happy Holidays.
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daskalos



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
People cannot stir up hysteria and then deny complicity when such consequences as these occur, Mindmetoo.

Irresponsibility on multiple levels here. That is what this story shows. We have gone beyond mere holier-than-thou camcorder warriors...


God, it's almost like being able to imagine a world in which someone opposed to abortion might do something crazy, like bomb an abortion clinic or murder a doctor who has performed abortions.


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daskalos



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
People cannot stir up hysteria and then deny complicity when such consequences as these occur, Mindmetoo.

Irresponsibility on multiple levels here. That is what this story shows. We have gone beyond mere holier-than-thou camcorder warriors...


I do hope one of those levels of which you speak has something to do with the baiting Palin did and McCain allowed during the last months of the campaign.
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daskalos



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
I wish your side would develop the capability of self-criticism, OneWayTraffic. As it is, you only point fingers outward, damn the consequences, such as the one this thread reports.


And here I am to grant your wish. I am appalled by the gay/left horror/condemnation of Obama's choosing Rick Warren to offer a prayer at his inauguration. What part of "inclusivenness," what part of "trying to heal the breach" did these people not understand? For the record, the other preacher invited to speak at the inauguration actually supports not only gay rights but gay marriage, another position Obama doesn't agree with.
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daskalos



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing that happened to Sarah Palin in the last election falls outside the pale of American political discourse as it has been practiced in the last 225 years. If that slugfest has continued beyond the election season, chalk it up to the public's continuing interest in her and her inability to shut up and fade away.

I'm sorry, did I hear someone here register an implied opinion that the turkey news footage was dirty pool? Really, oh my god, that person must be as tone deaf as Sarah Palin herself, she who didn't get the fundamental disconnect between a news fluff piece on pardoning a turkey, only to have the rest of the interview take place against the backdrop of non-pardoned turkeys being slaughtered. That really didn't seem like a bad PR move to her? And that really didn't seem stupid to her partisans?

And, I'm a hopelessly intolerant piece of shit, in part responsible for whoever burned down her church, because I get this and you don't. Okay, fine. If you need to ascribe blame to me, I'll accept it, because you are clearly hopelessly incapable of understanding the concept of "blame."

If people hate her (and I don't - I just hated the idea of her being within a heartbeat of the presidency), that hatred is in large part the result of her views and tactics, which means that she also bears some responsibility for the crap that came her way.

That said, arson is always wrong, and if it turns out that the person who hated her church is a left-wing nutjob, I'll condemn that person no less vehemently than if it turns out the person who burned down her church considered her to be the *beep* of Babylon, riding the beast of the acapolypse.

But I won't speculate about who (specifically) is to blame, and therefore won't wildly fantasize (broadly) about the greater implications of such an act that may indeed have nothing at all to do with that horribly vapid t**t's clueless temerity in thinking she might be of some service to her party in this last election.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daskalos: be careful not to strawman me here; I disagree with a host of issues you raised and asked for confirmation of. I cannot stand the right-for-life mob. And I voted against Prop 8, too -- just to clarify my own politics.

I join you in condemning the intolerant far left for their childish and purist reaction to R. Warren, too. So far B. Obama is doing an outstanding job brining almost everyone but the far left and the far right into the fold.

All of this nothwithstanding, people still need to relax re: S. Palin. If you disagree with her, ridiculing her, shaming her, and inciting the far left's more mentally unstable section to burn her hometown church down, is not the most, let us say, Obama-like way, to bring her around and show her new perspectives...
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
So far B. Obama is doing an outstanding job brining almost everyone but the far left and the far right into the fold.


Which is why both are so outraged. I'd be worried if either extreme was comfortable with him.

Really. It is a 5 min talk that Warren will give. I am certain that there are bigger issues to discuss.
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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
...inciting the far left's more mentally unstable section to burn her hometown church down, ...


NEVER SAY DIE!

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