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GoldMember



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Korean Stock Market Declines-BLAME THE FOREIGNER! Reply with quote

This from todays JoongAng Daily

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2898730

Suspected of collectively agitating the local stock market with subjective reports, foreign brokerages have been put under the microscope.

The Korea Securities Dealers Association, which consists of brokerages operating locally, said yesterday it has started inspecting �sell� reports from a total of 19 foreign brokerages in Korea issued over the past three months. It is the first time that all foreign brokerage reports have been subjected to a KSDA probe.

�As you know, foreign brokerages are exerting heavy influence on the market,� said a KSDA official, declining to be named because he is in too low of a position to represent the organization. �We are seeing sharp declines of stocks after foreign brokerages recommended selling them in reports. So we decided to look into whether the reports were accurate.�

The local stock market - comprised of the benchmark Kospi and junior Kosdaq - has become more vulnerable to external factors amid the ongoing financial crisis partly due to a heavy dependence on exports among its listed firms.

Some suspect foreign brokerages are partly responsible for worsening the situation because their reports, backed by worldwide credibility, have caused severe drops in local stocks they recommend as sells.

Last month, shares in GS Engineering and Construction fell by almost the daily limit after sell reports from Credit Lyonnais Securities Asia in Seoul.

On Dec. 3, the French brokerage issued a sell report on Samsung Electronics, and the share price of the electronics giant dropped 2.9 percent on the day. It said Samsung Electronics will post an 800 billion won ($604 million) operating loss next year due to the falling prices of semiconductors and LCD panels.

The KSDA official said the probe will focus on whether foreign brokerages adhered to rules concerning analysis reporting, such as whether they identified sources of data or people which they quoted in the reports.

The Seoul branch of JPMorgan said yesterday it submitted documents required by the KSDA concerning the probe, but declined to comment further. Some other foreign brokerages declined to comment or did not return calls seeking comment.


Now these MORONS want to be a Financial Hub Bub, yet brokers are not allowed to conduct their business freely.
If anyone is at fault it is the Korean brokerages for NOT recommending a sell.
Now lets see why would these bad bad brokerage houses make a sell recommendation? Could it be something to do with.....
Declining sales and plant shutdowns
Management holding onto a bloated workforce
Companies that are grossly overleveraged
Companies that have their massive debts denominated in Japanese Yen.
and finally there is this stupid reason
LOSING MONEY!!!!

Nah, nothing to do with those factors, the brokerages are recommending sell, just to be nasty to Koreans.

These foreign brokerages have world wide credability. I wonder why?
Korean brokerages do not have credability. I wonder why?

Korea Sparkling!. A more appropriate slogan would be Korea, reaching new levels of Stupidity.


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jkelly80



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not xenophobia, it's Korean culture!
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Jandar



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is a daily limit as refered to in this sentence quoted from above.


"Last month, shares in GS Engineering and Construction fell by almost the daily limit after sell reports from Credit Lyonnais Securities Asia in Seoul. "
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GoldMember



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A daily limit is actually exchanges and government MANIPULATING the market, once a security falls by a fallen amount in a given day, trading is suspended, so the poor sucker who did'nt get out earlier enough has too lose more money.
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justaguy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
A daily limit is actually exchanges and government MANIPULATING the market, once a security falls by a fallen amount in a given day, trading is suspended, so the poor sucker who did'nt get out earlier enough has too lose more money.


You don't know what you are talking about.
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Beej



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justaguy wrote:
GoldMember wrote:
A daily limit is actually exchanges and government MANIPULATING the market, once a security falls by a fallen amount in a given day, trading is suspended, so the poor sucker who did'nt get out earlier enough has too lose more money.


You don't know what you are talking about.


Justaguy, Then you explain what a daily limit is.
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victorology



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beej wrote:
justaguy wrote:
GoldMember wrote:
A daily limit is actually exchanges and government MANIPULATING the market, once a security falls by a fallen amount in a given day, trading is suspended, so the poor sucker who did'nt get out earlier enough has too lose more money.


You don't know what you are talking about.


Justaguy, Then you explain what a daily limit is.


A daily limit is a maximum a stock or an index can drop within a day. If a stock hits the limit, trading is halted. It's not something unique to the Korean stock exchange. Here are the limits for the Dow:

Level 1 Halt: a 1,100-point drop in the DJIA before 2 p.m. will halt trading for one hour; for 30 minutes if between 2 p.m. and 2:30 p.m.; and have no effect if at 2:30 p.m. or later unless there is a level 2 halt.

Level 2 Halt: a 2,200-point drop in the DJIA before 1:00 p.m. will halt trading for two hours; for one hour if between 1:00 p.m. and 2:00 p.m.; and for the remainder of the day if at 2:00 p.m. or later.

Level 3 Halt: a 3,350-point drop will halt trading for the remainder of the day regardless of when the decline occurs.

Usually, these limits are put in place to let people cool down and gather themselves. A lot of times, stocks that drop below a daily limit do so because of an unfounded rumor and halting trading can give people time to get the real information.
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in_seoul_2003



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Korean Stock Market Declines-BLAME THE FOREIGNER! Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
This from todays JoongAng Daily

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2898730


�As you know, foreign brokerages are exerting heavy influence on the market,� said a KSDA official, declining to be named because he is in too low of a position to represent the organization.


Classic Korean journalism here: begging the question, if he's "too low" in the organization to represent it why cite a source so potentially lacking in credibility?

Wasn't anyone 'higher up' available for comment?
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weatherman



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the article:

Quote:
The KSDA official said the probe will focus on whether foreign brokerages adhered to rules concerning analysis reporting, such as whether they identified sources of data or people which they quoted in the reports.


That is the issue. School days are back again. Knowing that the reports were mostly likely written by local employees, then they won't have to examine the reports that hard. We all know local students and reporters don't identified sources or data, they just copy from some other report and call it their own or make it up as they go.
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GoldMember



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the thorough explaination Victorology. I still think its market manipulation, just my lowly opinion though.
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el_magico



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Korean Stock Market Declines-BLAME THE FOREIGNER! Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:

Now these MORONS want to be a Financial Hub Bub, yet brokers are not allowed to conduct their business freely.
If anyone is at fault it is the Korean brokerages for NOT recommending a sell.
Now lets see why would these bad bad brokerage houses make a sell recommendation? Could it be something to do with.....
Declining sales and plant shutdowns
Management holding onto a bloated workforce
Companies that are grossly overleveraged
Companies that have their massive debts denominated in Japanese Yen.
and finally there is this stupid reason
LOSING MONEY!!!!

Nah, nothing to do with those factors, the brokerages are recommending sell, just to be nasty to Koreans.

These foreign brokerages have world wide credability. I wonder why?
Korean brokerages do not have credability. I wonder why?

Korea Sparkling!. A more appropriate slogan would be Korea, reaching new levels of Stupidity.



Foreign brokerages have worldwide credibility? HA yeah right... maybe you should read about the industry before you start calling people morons and acting all self righteous...


Brokerage's goal is to increase the volume on the stock hence the commissions. ALL BROKERAGES will use any means necessary to achieve that goal and if that involves misrepresenting and outright lying then so be it!
Analysts who were supposed to be watchdogs that are independent and unbiased but they were influenced by the so called "soft dollar". Even worse they would produce reports on the request of the i-bankers who have a an offering with the company in question.

A fair analyst is an oxymoron on Wall Street!

There were MANY scandals in late 99's and early 00's about this and Spitzer built a political career over tackling the Wall Street corruption. But he pissed off too many people and we know what happened next...

Try reading "Confessions of a Wall Street Analyst" or "Liars Poker" for more perspective... but I wonder if a self-righteous a-hole like yourself is capable of concentrating long enough to read a book[/b]
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as someone who spent over a decade in that business, I can tell you Liar's Poker is spot on, required reading and about as funny of a book as you'll ever get to read (especially so if you're familiar with the business and can immediately relate to every story Michael Lewis tells)
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samcheokguy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does one regulate a business where you're allowed to gamble with borrowed money?
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justaguy



Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

victorology wrote:
Beej wrote:
justaguy wrote:
GoldMember wrote:
A daily limit is actually exchanges and government MANIPULATING the market, once a security falls by a fallen amount in a given day, trading is suspended, so the poor sucker who did'nt get out earlier enough has too lose more money.


You don't know what you are talking about.


Justaguy, Then you explain what a daily limit is.


A daily limit is a maximum a stock or an index can drop within a day. If a stock hits the limit, trading is halted. It's not something unique to the Korean stock exchange. Here are the limits for the Dow:

Level 1 Halt: a 1,100-point drop in the DJIA before 2 p.m. will halt trading for one hour; for 30 minutes if between 2 p.m. and 2:30 p.m.; and have no effect if at 2:30 p.m. or later unless there is a level 2 halt.

Level 2 Halt: a 2,200-point drop in the DJIA before 1:00 p.m. will halt trading for two hours; for one hour if between 1:00 p.m. and 2:00 p.m.; and for the remainder of the day if at 2:00 p.m. or later.

Level 3 Halt: a 3,350-point drop will halt trading for the remainder of the day regardless of when the decline occurs.

Usually, these limits are put in place to let people cool down and gather themselves. A lot of times, stocks that drop below a daily limit do so because of an unfounded rumor and halting trading can give people time to get the real information.


There is a serious amount of misinformation and half truths on this board. I don't have the time or inclination to correct so many sophists. But ok ok... I'll explain this one because I'm 100% sure about it.

The Korean stock market/individual stocks have a daily 15% up or down limit. This was put in place after the chaos of the IMF. When the index drops 15% it is up to the Korean regulators if they want to halt trading.

When an individual stock goes up or down 15% trade is not stopped. A stock can be purchased or sold, however the price cannot rise or fall beyond 15%.

Now you know.
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bobbyhanlon



Joined: 09 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'd say the foreign broker reports are marginally more trustworthy- after all, would you trust samsung securities' opinion on samsung electronics, or any other samsung company? business and political power in korea is held by too small a group of people for anything like fair analysis of stocks to take place.
take a look at broker reports from any of the leading korean houses- its all 'buy, buy, buy', with the occasional hold. its just not the done thing to say 'sell'. there's probably an element of not wanting others to lose face in that, too.

not that you should trust the big international brokers either. they aren't beholden to the unwritten code of korean equity research, but they do have their agendas, as every investor knows.
which all means.. know your way around a balance sheet, a cashflow statement, and an income statement; read many different sources of information about a stock; have some idea about valuation, etc, etc. and if you don't, stay the hell away! the last thing an investor should do is buy based on an analyst recommendation
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