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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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lush72 wrote,
Immigration here are so unprofessional it's pathetic. Thank God the nice lady at the tax office let it slide- I can go pick up the business license next week. The lady at the tax office told me to just go update my drivers' license here- that should automatically update the mainframe. The point here is- how can immigration issue you a completely new ARC with the correct address on it- yet not update the information on the mainframe?!?!? Arrgh!
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=14693
Good luck with the business.
Koreans have to tolerate mistakes made by immigration, right?
It was lucky that "the nice lady at the tax office let it slide." And what will you do when the not-so-nice lady at the tax office does not let it slide?
Maybe you look like a "nice foreigner." You get nice treatment. Well, the law can be ignored for you because you look nice. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Intensives-- Are we overworked? |
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| indiglo123 wrote: |
For those of you teaching intensives this winter vacation I am wondering if you feel you are being overworked and underpaid?
I feel like I should be getting a bigger piece of the pie!
Let's see,
Four foreign teachers at 19, 000 per hour overtime.
Two Korea teachers who get no overtime. (Even worse, I know, but that is another issue)
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If you agreed to work for a certain wage, why do you think you deserve more? If the boss were losing money, would you say that you feel that you should be getting a SMALLER piece of the pie? Personally I think the KOREAN teachers should be getting a bigger piece of the pie first. |
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lush72
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| Good luck with the business . |
Thanks guy! 
| Real Reality wrote: |
| Koreans have to tolerate mistakes made by immigration, right? |
Of course not! They are Koreans! 
| Real Reality wrote: |
| It was lucky that "the nice lady at the tax office let it slide." And what will you do when the not-so-nice lady at the tax office does not let it slide? |
Your 100% right here. I was lucky. But, even if I wasn�t lucky I would just have to go across town to do all the paperwork there. I agree, as a non-Korean the odds do (sometimes) seem to be stacked against you. 
| Real Reality wrote: |
| Maybe you look like a "nice foreigner." You get nice treatment. Well, the law can be ignored for you because you look nice. |
I doubt that I looked very nice, although I did wear normal work clothes (a suit and tie). Additionally there was no one there at all- this was critical and the only reason I went so late on a Saturday. I have found that you can positively influence some situations here by taking the time to think the whole situation through.
If I went on a Monday mid morning, say at 11:30 AM, with the office packed with irate people, and tried it- well I have no doubt I would be turned away posthaste. That�s why I went on a lazy Saturday afternoon! I think you have to be adaptable here to succeed. I really do.
Anyway R.R. thanks for your wishes- take care! |
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ohahakehte
Joined: 24 Aug 2003
Location: The State of Denial
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| dutchman wrote: |
How much your boss profits is none of your business. It's very immature for an employee who is getting paid a fair wage to complain about the employer making a lot of money. She's the one who took the risk, put up the capital and deals with all the headaches. She's the one who should reap the rewards. You're entitled to nothing more than your agreed upon wage. Anything more than that is generosity on your boss' part.
That's the way the business world works. Learn to live with it. If you can't, start your own business. |
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ever heard of critical thought? what you're saying sounds like a publication of the North Korean Workers Party.
bosses tend to abuse their power and authority and treat their employees like dirt. to not be alert for these things and not to criticize them is to be a mindless sucker, a willing cog in a machine |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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ohahakehte, I think you have your ideologies confused.
Profit-sharing is the theoretical leftwing ideal, capitalism means fat cats. Paying employees mutually agreed upon wages is not unfair. Envying the boss's income is a loser's game unless youre prepared to be one. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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the whole point of owning a business is to make money. Lots of money. Sharing the money equally with the employees prevents making lots of money.
Lush what kind of business are you going into.
Sometimes i think about opening my own hagwon, though i don't think i will ever be able to afford the start up costs. and now seems to be past the optimal time to be entering hte hogwan market. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Sometimes i think about opening my own hagwon, though i don't think i will ever be able to afford the start up costs. and now seems to be past the optimal time to be entering hte hogwan market. |
On that note, assuming you already owned space and only had to pay rent every month, what kind of startup costs would you still be looking at? Does anyone know? |
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dutchman
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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On that note, assuming you already owned space and only had to pay rent every month, what kind of startup costs would you still be looking at? Does anyone know? |
If you already own the space why would you be paying rent every month? Maybe business is not for you. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not an expert at business so i don't know all what costs would be involved, but you would have to have enough money to buy or rent a place, remodel it, buy all the supplies (furniture, photocopiers, etc), hire workers, pay taxes, bribes, bills, hire a bus driver. Unless you are very lucky you won't be making money right off the bat. you have to have the money to operate your business for several months before you start breaking even.
If you don't want to teach and then have to hire a foriegn teacher you have all the expenses associated with having one.
what this all adds up to i have know idea, but i can safely assume its a lot more money i will ever have at one time. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| dutchman wrote: |
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On that note, assuming you already owned space and only had to pay rent every month, what kind of startup costs would you still be looking at? Does anyone know? |
If you already own the space why would you be paying rent every month? Maybe business is not for you. |
I forgive you for that snotty comment. You're a Friesian. You can't help it. |
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dutchman
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
| dutchman wrote: |
| Corporal wrote: |
On that note, assuming you already owned space and only had to pay rent every month, what kind of startup costs would you still be looking at? Does anyone know? |
If you already own the space why would you be paying rent every month? Maybe business is not for you. |
I forgive you for that snotty comment. You're a Friesian. You can't help it. |
It's not a snotty comment. I really want to know why you would pay rent on space you already own? And if you think you should pay rent on space you already own then I am sincerely advising you not to try your hand at business. Now, if you made a mistake admit it and we can move on. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Well I feel overworked during this five week thing minus the 3 days off for lunar new year. MWF are long for me. Otherwise no big deal. My first month was December at my new hagwon and worked only about 12 hours a week because of few students. So I won't complain. Not a bad job really, so far so good. Most students actually into learning, and got a good employer/director with good English. It's in Yongin, yuck, but better to have a good job here than a lousy one in Seoul. |
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