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how useful is a teacher certification in Korea?
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CA-NA-DA-ABC



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: how useful is a teacher certification in Korea? Reply with quote

so I'm thinking about doing a B.Ed. to get a teacher certification in Canada. the thing is, I do not want to teach in Canada, I want to teach and live in Korea.

How much of an advantage is it to be a certified Canadian teacher in Korea? Is doing a B.Ed. to teach in Korea worth it?

or would holding a TESOL/CELTA be more of an advantage here?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In K-land they're equal in the eyes of the Ministry of Ed. Rolling Eyes
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teachergirltoo



Joined: 28 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the eyes of the MOE you may be treated equal to other degree holders, but in the eyes of the Korean teachers you work with in the public system you are given more respect and your opinions are more valued because they consider you a real teacher. If you do not have a B.Ed. or are a certified teacher many times they will just consider you a generic degree holder that has come here to make money but does not have the proper credentials to be in the classroom. We have had conversations about this amongst our staff.
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CA-NA-DA-ABC



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about at hagwons? will you have more leverage when negotiating with bosses because bosses can better sell your certified teacher status to the moms?

anyone have experience with this?
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very little difference in terms of employers willing to pay you more - but as said, credit to you as a teacher amongst other staff.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could use it to teach at one of the international schools.
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justind



Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Location: Suji, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A B'Ed from a good school will get you a better salary and more respect.

Most international schools require it for all of their staff.

If you are a crappy teacher though, your work will speak for itself.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My take on it is this:

It is hard to get into a B.Ed program in Canada. Most provinces do it in 2yrs, Ontario does it in 1yr - but it is intensive as hell.

Will you be able to handle doing practicums teaching Canadian students?
Will you be able to handle tons of theory that in the real world doesn't really work from faculty up on their soap boxes?
Do you want to pay for yearly fees to keep your certification as a teacher active if you never want to teach in Canada?

If all you ever want to do is teach in Korea, I'd suggest you come back for a full year MA TESOL...that will get you far more in the ESL world in Korea.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^
It was pretty easy to get into the B.Ed program in Newfoundland back in 1991. Maybe it has changed? Nearly all the courses were useless. The practicum was for one semester and not too bad though I didn't do well. For some reason I think there should be more actual teaching (practice) for a person who wants to be a teacher, than sitting in classes about John Dewey or whoever that you can read if you like. Some of the profs were cool though, and others not, just spewing a bunch of junk and being self-important.
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: how useful is a teacher certification in Korea? Reply with quote

CA-NA-DA-ABC wrote:
I want to teach and live in Korea.


How old are you... and why did you make this decision?
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DC in Suwon



Joined: 14 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on contract offers I received, a degree in education doesn't seem to make much of a difference (maybe a 100k increase in pay). I am certified to teach in the state of Florida, which gave me the 100k pay increase. Recruiters have told me that schools would prefer a TEFL cert/license over a B.A. Ed.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teachergirltoo wrote:
In the eyes of the MOE you may be treated equal to other degree holders, but in the eyes of the Korean teachers you work with in the public system you are given more respect and your opinions are more valued because they consider you a real teacher. If you do not have a B.Ed. or are a certified teacher many times they will just consider you a generic degree holder that has come here to make money but does not have the proper credentials to be in the classroom. We have had conversations about this amongst our staff.


Yeah right - tell that to the 'qualified' (to teach a different subject in California) teacher I saw get ripped apart by evaluators after a demo class a few weeks ago. They certainly didn't value his views a great deal.

A BEd. will allow you to get a job at an international school. At almost every other king of institution it will mean as little or less than a TESOL certificate.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
teachergirltoo wrote:
In the eyes of the MOE you may be treated equal to other degree holders, but in the eyes of the Korean teachers you work with in the public system you are given more respect and your opinions are more valued because they consider you a real teacher. If you do not have a B.Ed. or are a certified teacher many times they will just consider you a generic degree holder that has come here to make money but does not have the proper credentials to be in the classroom. We have had conversations about this amongst our staff.


Yeah right - tell that to the 'qualified' (to teach a different subject in California) teacher I saw get ripped apart by evaluators after a demo class a few weeks ago. They certainly didn't value his views a great deal.

A BEd. will allow you to get a job at an international school. At almost every other king of institution it will mean as little or less than a TESOL certificate.


I have to agree with both of you. You will be more valued amongst the staff as a "real" teacher, but they will rip you to shreds during your demo class if it is not done perfectly. I have seen this done twice.
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a country that goes on about 'qualified' or 'unqualified' teachers, it sure doesn't give a damn about the only relevant qualifications out there for this job, TEFL certificates, and a lot of them still haven't heard of the most prestigious one, the CELTA, let alone the DELTA.
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teachergirltoo



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
For a country that goes on about 'qualified' or 'unqualified' teachers, it sure doesn't give a damn about the only relevant qualifications out there for this job, TEFL certificates, and a lot of them still haven't heard of the most prestigious one, the CELTA, let alone the DELTA.


I agree totally with this statement, and the one above. Even being a qualified/certified teacher doesn't guarantee you respect, or value put on your opinions, but it does give you leverage in a conversation when viewpoint on teaching methodology is being challenged or discussed. The outcome of many of those conversations will also depend on how assertive you are as a person in throwing your credentials forward at the opportune moment. I absolutely hate having to do that to get the Korean teachers to listen to me at times, but when the moment arrives it carries weight because they are so degree and credential oriented here.

Over my years of teaching I have to say that the one item I have noticed that has made a difference in what qualifies a person to teach ESL/EFL is the TESOL/TEFL/CELTA/DELTA certification course. The base degree really does not seem to matter that much because in these programs is where the methods for teaching ESL/EFL are really learned. I have taught with certified teachers from other countries, and without the extra certification it is the same as someone with an unrelated degree, because they don't have that specialized knowledge yet. We had this discussion in our staff room a couple months ago - explaining to the the Korean teachers that even in Canada a regular English teacher cannot teach ESL/EFL in the classroom. They have to go for extra training and certification first. We were trying to show them that regardless of their training in uni, all teachers who teach English or ESL/EFL need to go for specialized training before they can truly do it effectively. Anyways, a couple of them enrolled in a uni TESOL program to get training and certification.

After completing any of those courses it gives teachers a common ground to discuss learning in the classroom. It doesn't matter if their base degree is education, German, Journalism, Science, etc. So I think the above quote is very accurate: getting the certification is the most important qualification for teaching here.
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