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Alyssa
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: Poor NORTH korea :( |
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THey are willing to give up their toys for food
Looks like they are having a tough time, and the winter has just started.
3rd LD) N. Korea willing to return war prisoners in exchange for economic benefits: sources
BEIJING/SEOUL, Dec. 22 (Yonhap) -- North Korea has conveyed to South Korea that it is willing to return some South Korean war prisoners and civilian abductees in exchange for economic benefits, sources said Monday.
Pyongyang made the proposal through various undercover channels, hoping to resume inter-Korean economic exchange projects that have been suspended amid chilled ties this year, the sources well-versed in North Korean issues said on condition of anonymity. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: |
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They're still holding Korean War prisoners? I thought I'd read it all about North Korea: the black market human flesh for sale, the euphemistically named "Pleasure Corps" for (male) senior officals, and the three levels of currency for different social classes (regular won, blue won, and red won).
But this still surprises me. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: |
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I dont see how they can be starving...
what they don't know how to grow food???
they dont know how to fish? |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: |
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itaewonguy wrote: |
I dont see how they can be starving...
what they don't know how to grow food???
they dont know how to fish? |
They stripped the land bear farming like morons for decades on every plot of land possible...they're trying milk a cow that just ain't giving much milk anymore.
As for fishing...I'm susprised....maybe Kim Jong Il doesn't alow much fishing given everybody would just float on to China....or maybe they over fished the waters around them.
jeez they're desperate....I surprised anybody from the korean war lived that long in a N.K POW camp. Supposedly NK was recieving some foreign investment hence why they pushed hard on Kaesong....but with the global economy being what it is, I bet most of those plans have turned to dust.
They bringing back cell phones which is likely the decision of the elites in the country who are tired of living like lords of a shanty town despite the obvious security risks they propose.
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Ukon wrote: |
itaewonguy wrote: |
I dont see how they can be starving...
what they don't know how to grow food???
they dont know how to fish? |
They stripped the land bear farming like morons for decades on every plot of land possible...they're trying milk a cow that just ain't giving much milk anymore.
As for fishing...I'm susprised....maybe Kim Jong Il doesn't alow much fishing given everybody would just float on to China....or maybe they over fished the waters around them. |
They were farming bears?  |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Why dont they just launch a dummy missile again? |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: |
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samd wrote: |
Ukon wrote: |
itaewonguy wrote: |
I dont see how they can be starving...
what they don't know how to grow food???
they dont know how to fish? |
They stripped the land bear farming like morons for decades on every plot of land possible...they're trying milk a cow that just ain't giving much milk anymore.
As for fishing...I'm susprised....maybe Kim Jong Il doesn't alow much fishing given everybody would just float on to China....or maybe they over fished the waters around them. |
They were farming bears?  |
Perhaps...North koreans eat leaves...... I figured if they really wanted N. Korean gone they'd just release some Locoust secretly inside the country....N.Korea's piss poor infrastructure would likely be unprepared to respond and face regime collaspe from the sheer lack of any food...
But then I realized North Koreans would simply EAT the locust*
*it's tasty so I hear. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Chilgok, Korea
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Ukon wrote: |
But then I realized North Koreans would simply EAT the locust*
*it's tasty so I hear. |
Delicious, good for health, and not too spicy. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: |
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itaewonguy wrote: |
I dont see how they can be starving...
what they don't know how to grow food???
they dont know how to fish? |
I can't comment on the fishing, but the part about growing food: the best farmland in the country is used to grow poppy flowers; opium is a major cash crop for the country's elites.
Really. |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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They certainly "farm" bears in South Korea. I not sure if they still do in North Korea. Barbaric savages...
It's incredibly cruel and totally unnecessary.
Bile acid�ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA)�has been popular in TCM for about 3,000 years. Unfortunately for them, bears produce more of it than any other mammal. Bile is excreted by the liver and stored in the gallbladder, from which it is released into the stomach to help digest food. Bear bile is marketed as a treatment for a staggering array of human maladies, from cardiac illness to impotence to sore eyes. You can buy it in almost any form: pills and powders, ointments, lozenges, wines, and shampoos. But some practitioners of TCM use herbal and synthetic alternatives to bear bile that are less expensive and more readily available.
China's Market
In 1999, a Chinese official reported that 7,002 Asiatic black bears were being held on 247 farms in China. (China is the major source of farmed bear bile. Sources indicate that there are 4,012 captive bears in Vietnam, a steep increase from the 1,059 reported in 1992 when the captive bear issue first emerged there. Over 90% of captive bears in Vietnam are Asiatic Black Bears. 85% of bear farms keep bears for bile tapping, while another 15% are for display only.
In Korea, the South Korean government may have made bile extraction illegal, but another method of bear farming is now gaining steam. WSPA and Green Korea United estimate that 1800 bears are being kept on farms. It is legal for farmers to slaughter them when they reach 10 years of age and extract their gallbladders.
Species at Risk
There are eight species of bear in the world. All but the giant panda are threatened by the trade in gallbladders and bile products. The species most targeted is the Asiatic black bear, classified as endangered by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora. Because Asiatic black bears are listed on CITES Appendix I, it is illegal for China to engage in international trade in their parts. But it's impossible to tell whether a gallbladder or bile has been taken from an Asiatic black bear or from an American black bear, a species that can be internationally traded. So Asiatic black bear parts are slipping into the international market disguised as parts from their American relatives.
http://www.moonbears.co.uk/~Unbearable_Trade/109.htm |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, farming bears is the problem, not millions of human beings in utter poverty in the most destitute of conditions where their minds are brainwashed and their souls are destroyed. |
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soviet_man

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I think there is a growing perception in South Korea that Lee Myung Bak's position to cut off all ties with the DPRK has been a failure.
If we look at the period 2004-2007 it is clear some progress was being made. There were 6 party talks, there was a joint industrial complex, some inter-Korean tourism took place, some family reunions occurred, Yongbyeon was turned off, part of the rail line was briefly re-connected. Things were happening ...
But now, it is all on ice once again. So who is to blame for this situation ... it is not the DPRK. They are a known quantity. It can be directly attributed to the right-wing ROK policies that have come in under this administration.
What possible incentive does the DPRK have to do the "right thing" by the ROK? None. Nothing.
Honestly, there is no compelling reason to blame the DPRK for the current stalling of relations. Everyone knows where they stand on the issues.
The shortages in the DPRK is not the core issue here. That has always existed.
It is a distraction from the main political problem here - which is the entrenched culture of bad governance, indecision and policy failure on the ROK side. |
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DC in Suwon
Joined: 14 Dec 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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samd wrote: |
Ukon wrote: |
itaewonguy wrote: |
I dont see how they can be starving...
what they don't know how to grow food???
they dont know how to fish? |
They stripped the land bear farming like morons for decades on every plot of land possible...they're trying milk a cow that just ain't giving much milk anymore.
As for fishing...I'm susprised....maybe Kim Jong Il doesn't alow much fishing given everybody would just float on to China....or maybe they over fished the waters around them. |
They were farming bears?  |
LOL  |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, farming bears is the problem, not millions of human beings in utter poverty in the most destitute of conditions where their minds are brainwashed and their souls are destroyed. |
I wasn't minimizing the immense human tragedy north of the border. Simply put, life is cheap on both sides of the border.  |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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soviet_man wrote: |
I think there is a growing perception in South Korea that Lee Myung Bak's position to cut off all ties with the DPRK has been a failure.
If we look at the period 2004-2007 it is clear some progress was being made. There were 6 party talks, there was a joint industrial complex, some inter-Korean tourism took place, some family reunions occurred, Yongbyeon was turned off, part of the rail line was briefly re-connected. Things were happening ...
But now, it is all on ice once again. So who is to blame for this situation ... it is not the DPRK. They are a known quantity. It can be directly attributed to the right-wing ROK policies that have come in under this administration.
What possible incentive does the DPRK have to do the "right thing" by the ROK? None. Nothing.
Honestly, there is no compelling reason to blame the DPRK for the current stalling of relations. Everyone knows where they stand on the issues.
The shortages in the DPRK is not the core issue here. That has always existed.
It is a distraction from the main political problem here - which is the entrenched culture of bad governance, indecision and policy failure on the ROK side. |
Yeah, right. Please stop trying to make us break out in a fit of laughter.
Noh kissed NK's ass or years, sent them food, and now we have a nuclear threat to thank for it.
Lee Myung Bak is winning. The North is obviously becoming desperate. Now they're actually begging for help through back channels.
Haven't you heard? The flyers are having such an effect that the North has actually moved a sizable chunk of their army to the area where they are landing to pick them up. KJ Il-boy and his crew are freaking out.
The North has run out of barganing chips to use for food to prop up remains of their gov't. They don't have any chips, and they're trying to create some. |
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