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mmace1



Joined: 08 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:09 am    Post subject: GEPIK - Winter vacation & pay Reply with quote

For those people who are not given classes/seat-time/other activities over winter break by your public school - do you still get paid your salary for that month you have off?

By the way, I don't mean people who are taking their entire vacation off that month, just people who have been given nothing to do despite not being on official vacation days.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: GEPIK - Winter vacation & pay Reply with quote

mmace1 wrote:
For those people who are not given classes/seat-time/other activities over winter break by your public school - do you still get paid your salary for that month you have off?

By the way, I don't mean people who are taking their entire vacation off that month, just people who have been given nothing to do despite not being on official vacation days.


Yes, you get your base salary (but no overtime or supplemental pay).
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nate2008



Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: GEPIK - Winter vacation & pay Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
mmace1 wrote:
For those people who are not given classes/seat-time/other activities over winter break by your public school - do you still get paid your salary for that month you have off?

By the way, I don't mean people who are taking their entire vacation off that month, just people who have been given nothing to do despite not being on official vacation days.


Yes, you get your base salary (but no overtime or supplemental pay).


I would also add that if you are doing winter camps at your school or any other school, you will most likely be getting paid for those too. So over this period, you will be working a LOT less and actually be getting paid more. Really sucks to be a hagwon person right now!
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Perceptioncheck



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: GEPIK - Winter vacation & pay Reply with quote

nate2008 wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
mmace1 wrote:
For those people who are not given classes/seat-time/other activities over winter break by your public school - do you still get paid your salary for that month you have off?

By the way, I don't mean people who are taking their entire vacation off that month, just people who have been given nothing to do despite not being on official vacation days.


Yes, you get your base salary (but no overtime or supplemental pay).


I would also add that if you are doing winter camps at your school or any other school, you will most likely be getting paid for those too. So over this period, you will be working a LOT less and actually be getting paid more. Really sucks to be a hagwon person right now!


Wouldn't count on that. I don't get paid extra for my winter camps and I know a few people who are in the same boat.

Hmm, perhaps I should complain to the office of education Laughing
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dimnd



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Western USA

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: winter camp, extra pay ps Reply with quote

Nothing extra in Hanam or the school I will be at for ps in Seoul.
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alex83



Joined: 03 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your camp is at your own school and within your contracted hours, then there is no reason for the school to pay you anything extra.
They still may, however, if they want to.
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mmace1



Joined: 08 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My camps (if I can even call them that, more like an extended after-classes) are just @ my school/within hours. And no mention of extra pay. I won't even ask though - it's not in the contract, & my direct manager is faaarrrr too nice to ask her to approach the principle asking about that.

I'll just be teaching students 4 hours/day unsupervised (2 different groups). Very small groups, I think, as classes are optional for the students this break.
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alex83



Joined: 03 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you signed that silly addendum a while back (which I didn't), all your classes should be taught with a co-teacher. If they're not, then it's outside the terms of your contract and you can negotiate your own terms.
I'd either demand to be paid for those classes or ask for something else equally appealing.
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nicam



Joined: 14 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, I don't get paid for my camps and my co-teachers certainly don't want to come here during the break, so I will be left alone with the kids, which is always a challenge because the kids around here can't even answer a question like, "where are you going?", or "what is your name?" I am nervous, and have no freakin' idea what to do with them for that much time when I can't do much of ANYTHING with such low proficiency levels. Even the better ones are at a beginner level at best.

I am allowed to go home at 12:30 though, and am wondering, since it's a clear violation of the contract, if I should say something about teaching without a co-teacher. I'm just afraid they might make me stay until 4:30 if I rock the boat at all. But seriously, what am I supposed to do with these kids? It just doesn't work at their level without a translator.

Anybody else in this position? What are you doing? What would you do?
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sobriquet



Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Location: Nakatomi Plaza

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get paid 25k per hour for my camps. Four hours per day. 5 days possibly another three if the kids want to.

C0-teachers are going to come in to help out.

Got to love the GEPIK
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Jeff's Cigarettes



Joined: 27 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you get paid...is it overtime? Are the students paying to attend your camp?
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sobriquet



Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Location: Nakatomi Plaza

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Never saw the need to question it.

Can't really argue at a 100k a day more for doing nothing more than playing The Game of Life with them and making burgers
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JJJ



Joined: 27 Nov 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicam wrote:
Hmmm, I don't get paid for my camps and my co-teachers certainly don't want to come here during the break, so I will be left alone with the kids, which is always a challenge because the kids around here can't even answer a question like, "where are you going?", or "what is your name?" I am nervous, and have no freakin' idea what to do with them for that much time when I can't do much of ANYTHING with such low proficiency levels. Even the better ones are at a beginner level at best.

I am allowed to go home at 12:30 though, and am wondering, since it's a clear violation of the contract, if I should say something about teaching without a co-teacher. I'm just afraid they might make me stay until 4:30 if I rock the boat at all. But seriously, what am I supposed to do with these kids? It just doesn't work at their level without a translator.

Anybody else in this position? What are you doing? What would you do?


Don't say anything. Jeez. Most of us are all babysitting alone and the lucky ones like you and me get to go home after it's done. There is no huge violation since someone will usually be sitting in the office for a few hours each day if there's a problem, which there won't be because it's a camp. If you're not happy with that, by all means complain, get your co-workers in there on their holidays and see if they still let you go home at noon.

What to do with them??? Come on...look on the threads here for camp activities, google esl worksheets and print out a ton, download some movies on your flash drive and watch 'em. Make peanut butter and jelly or banana sandwiches one day. If it's snowing, make a snowman. Use the computer room and play online English games. I've done elementary and middle school kids ALONE at camp and never, ever had a problem with language. And if they're that low, start with "A", "apple"...listen and repeat and write and go from there.

You are complaining about nothing. You got a good deal, don't worry. Sorry, I'm in a bad mood. Still recovering from food poisoning.
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nicam



Joined: 14 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not complaining per se, I'm just new at this and it's my first camp. I'm already teaching alone during normal school hours and it's killing me with the low proficiency levels, so I am a little concerned, but I guess it's cool as long as I get to go home after class. Don't think it's worth saying something and risking that, as you so kindly pointed out, but there's something gut-wrenching about a class full of students who can't answer ANY of your questions or understand ANY of your instruction, etc.

I'm thinking the students who attend camp will be the most proficient students anyway, and my favorite students at that. I hope so.
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Mr_Anderson



Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicam wrote:
Hmmm, I don't get paid for my camps and my co-teachers certainly don't want to come here during the break, so I will be left alone with the kids, which is always a challenge because the kids around here can't even answer a question like, "where are you going?", or "what is your name?" I am nervous, and have no freakin' idea what to do with them for that much time when I can't do much of ANYTHING with such low proficiency levels. Even the better ones are at a beginner level at best.

I am allowed to go home at 12:30 though, and am wondering, since it's a clear violation of the contract, if I should say something about teaching without a co-teacher. I'm just afraid they might make me stay until 4:30 if I rock the boat at all. But seriously, what am I supposed to do with these kids? It just doesn't work at their level without a translator.

Anybody else in this position? What are you doing? What would you do?


Yes, I'm in exactly the same position. I get to go home at midday, and although I do have a co-teacher who is my classes, he doesn't participate AT ALL (no translation, nothing). He just plays on his cellphone the whole time and may as well be part of the wall decorations. That's if he's even in the class during the lesson - he's only physically in the class 50% of the time, max.

I just do listen and repeat exercises. But it's tough getting a lot of the students to speak on their own, due to them not understanding what I'm saying, or simply too shy.

I've got this schedule over the next 4 weeks Monday - Friday except Xmas day and New year's Day. Yay! The going home at midday thing makes the whole thing okay though, plus the lessons are much more informal than the in-term ones, plus I don't have my annoying handler looking over me all the time (as he's working at another school over the vacation).
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