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davejohnson333
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: English teacher hiring down in Korea? |
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Is the economic downturn affecting or expected to affect the hiring of
new English teachers in South Korea?
Anyone have experience with the school they are working at tightening
their belt yet in regard to their hiring?
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: Re: English teacher hiring down in Korea? |
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| davejohnson333 wrote: |
Is the economic downturn affecting or expected to affect the hiring of
new English teachers in South Korea?
Anyone have experience with the school they are working at tightening
their belt yet in regard to their hiring?
Dave Johnson |
At my former school, they reduced their foreign and Korean staff, and they have less students. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:38 am Post subject: |
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I am hiring.
But it seems difficult to find minimal qualified teachers interested working just outside of Seoul.
Cheers
PS: I did lose some students due to economic slowdowns (most of them their husbands are in the real estate business). |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
I am hiring.
But it seems difficult to find minimal qualified teachers interested working just outside of Seoul.
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: English teacher hiring down in Korea? |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
At my former school, they reduced their foreign and Korean staff, and they have less students. |
Ditto. Glad to see it. |
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Socks
Joined: 15 May 2008
Location: somewhere in here...
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: English teacher hiring down in Korea? |
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| davejohnson333 wrote: |
| English teacher hiring down in Korea? |
where are you? up in Siberia? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I think some of it may also depend on the exchange rate, the new regulations on E-2's (which are coming up on a full year of being in effect) and the economy (which is likely to get worse). In my opinion it's too early to tell at this point. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| moosehead wrote: |
| Juregen wrote: |
I am hiring.
But it seems difficult to find minimal qualified teachers interested working just outside of Seoul.
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I do have certain requirements that need to be met  .
It is especially the outside of Seoul that seems to be the problem for a lot of people. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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So, Jurgen, you're saying it's difficult for your school to find people with BA's?
"Qualified" in Korea means the teacher has a BA in anything.
That's the problem with Korea. According to government visa standards, "qualified" means BA in anything. If Koreans disagree with this, then they need to change the law to allow E-2 visas only for certified teachers. If they can't/won't do that, then they are guilty of following their own stupid rules, and have no room for complaint. It's not the waygook's fault.
Schools and recruiters bitch because they can't get people with actual teaching experience, certifications, and what-not. They do this bitching while they refuse to pay what it would cost for certified teachers to come here.
So... my questions for you are as follows:
1. What do you consider "qualified"?
2. What are you paying for this position? (and I realize it's your school, not you -- don't take this personally)
Think about it. Does your school, or any other Korean school for that matter, have any room whatsoever to complain about not finding qualified teachers?
I could start an electronics company tomorrow and bitch that I couldn't find "qualified" engineers -- especially if I want to pay qualified engineers 2/3 of what I should pay, and only hire people who aren't certified engineers because I'm too frugal to pay for what the job demands.
Assuming you're a teacher, this is not your fault, Jurgen. Please tell your school they need to pay more if they expect to hire someone with qualifications exceeding what the local visa rules demand. If you want someone with an education degree, or actual Western certifications, I suggest you start the pay at between 3.0 and 3.5 million plus housing. If the school can't afford it, then they need to stop bitching and either NOT hire someone, or accept someone with a BA in whatever and also stop bitching.
Likewise, parents who are fearful that "unqualified" waygooks are teaching their children need to demand that their hagwon or public school raise pay in order to hire people at the level of qualification they want. As for now, the level of qualified, per the Korean government, is BA in anything. Don't like it? Change it. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
So, Jurgen, you're saying it's difficult for your school to find people with BA's?
"Qualified" in Korea means the teacher has a BA in anything.
That's the problem with Korea. According to government visa standards, "qualified" means BA in anything. If Koreans disagree with this, then they need to change the law to allow E-2 visas only for certified teachers. If they can't/won't do that, then they are guilty of following their own stupid rules, and have no room for complaint. It's not the waygook's fault.
Schools and recruiters bitch because they can't get people with actual teaching experience, certifications, and what-not. They do this bitching while they refuse to pay what it would cost for certified teachers to come here.
So... my questions for you are as follows:
1. What do you consider "qualified"?
2. What are you paying for this position? (and I realize it's your school, not you -- don't take this personally)
Think about it. Does your school, or any other Korean school for that matter, have any room whatsoever to complain about not finding qualified teachers?
I could start an electronics company tomorrow and bitch that I couldn't find "qualified" engineers -- especially if I want to pay qualified engineers 2/3 of what I should pay, and only hire people who aren't certified engineers because I'm too frugal to pay for what the job demands.
Assuming you're a teacher, this is not your fault, Jurgen. Please tell your school they need to pay more if they expect to hire someone with qualifications exceeding what the local visa rules demand. If you want someone with an education degree, or actual Western certifications, I suggest you start the pay at between 3.0 and 3.5 million plus housing. If the school can't afford it, then they need to stop bitching and either NOT hire someone, or accept someone with a BA in whatever and also stop bitching.
Likewise, parents who are fearful that "unqualified" waygooks are teaching their children need to demand that their hagwon or public school raise pay in order to hire people at the level of qualification they want. As for now, the level of qualified, per the Korean government, is BA in anything. Don't like it? Change it. |
But you know that 90% of hagwons don't want to work with actual professional teachers and even most public schools would have no idea what to do whether someone qualified to teach ESL to children in a western country turned up or they got a random packpacker. Even most unis don't someone who's going to try to challenge the undergrads too much or hold them to too high a standard. If Korea were serious about qualifications it would start by weeding out the 25%+ of English teachers who are simply not nearly fluent in English. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
So, Jurgen, you're saying it's difficult for your school to find people with BA's?
"Qualified" in Korea means the teacher has a BA in anything.
That's the problem with Korea. According to government visa standards, "qualified" means BA in anything. If Koreans disagree with this, then they need to change the law to allow E-2 visas only for certified teachers. If they can't/won't do that, then they are guilty of following their own stupid rules, and have no room for complaint. It's not the waygook's fault.
Schools and recruiters bitch because they can't get people with actual teaching experience, certifications, and what-not. They do this bitching while they refuse to pay what it would cost for certified teachers to come here.
So... my questions for you are as follows:
1. What do you consider "qualified"?
2. What are you paying for this position? (and I realize it's your school, not you -- don't take this personally)
Think about it. Does your school, or any other Korean school for that matter, have any room whatsoever to complain about not finding qualified teachers?
I could start an electronics company tomorrow and bitch that I couldn't find "qualified" engineers -- especially if I want to pay qualified engineers 2/3 of what I should pay, and only hire people who aren't certified engineers because I'm too frugal to pay for what the job demands.
Assuming you're a teacher, this is not your fault, Jurgen. Please tell your school they need to pay more if they expect to hire someone with qualifications exceeding what the local visa rules demand. If you want someone with an education degree, or actual Western certifications, I suggest you start the pay at between 3.0 and 3.5 million plus housing. If the school can't afford it, then they need to stop bitching and either NOT hire someone, or accept someone with a BA in whatever and also stop bitching.
Likewise, parents who are fearful that "unqualified" waygooks are teaching their children need to demand that their hagwon or public school raise pay in order to hire people at the level of qualification they want. As for now, the level of qualified, per the Korean government, is BA in anything. Don't like it? Change it. |
But you know that 90% of hagwons don't want to work with actual professional teachers and even most public schools would have no idea what to do whether someone qualified to teach ESL to children in a western country turned up or they got a random packpacker. Even most unis don't someone who's going to try to challenge the undergrads too much or hold them to too high a standard. If Korea were serious about qualifications it would start by weeding out the 25%+ of English teachers who are simply not nearly fluent in English. |
And therein lies the problem... gosh forbid Koreans should step on the toes of the old Korean teachers who cannot hold a conversation in English, yet are paid to "teach" it to Korean children.
Hiring certified waygook teachers actually embarrasses the old Korean guard. Gosh forbid THAT should be allowed to happen. It's far easier for them to sit back, safe under their own erroneous laws, and bitch about those "unqualified" waygooks they're hiring!
Korea -- always the victim of something. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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"I's gonna learn ya to speak English good."  |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
So, Jurgen, you're saying it's difficult for your school to find people with BA's?
"Qualified" in Korea means the teacher has a BA in anything.
That's the problem with Korea. According to government visa standards, "qualified" means BA in anything. If Koreans disagree with this, then they need to change the law to allow E-2 visas only for certified teachers. If they can't/won't do that, then they are guilty of following their own stupid rules, and have no room for complaint. It's not the waygook's fault.
Schools and recruiters bitch because they can't get people with actual teaching experience, certifications, and what-not. They do this bitching while they refuse to pay what it would cost for certified teachers to come here.
So... my questions for you are as follows:
1. What do you consider "qualified"?
2. What are you paying for this position? (and I realize it's your school, not you -- don't take this personally)
Think about it. Does your school, or any other Korean school for that matter, have any room whatsoever to complain about not finding qualified teachers?
I could start an electronics company tomorrow and bitch that I couldn't find "qualified" engineers -- especially if I want to pay qualified engineers 2/3 of what I should pay, and only hire people who aren't certified engineers because I'm too frugal to pay for what the job demands.
Assuming you're a teacher, this is not your fault, Jurgen. Please tell your school they need to pay more if they expect to hire someone with qualifications exceeding what the local visa rules demand. If you want someone with an education degree, or actual Western certifications, I suggest you start the pay at between 3.0 and 3.5 million plus housing. If the school can't afford it, then they need to stop bitching and either NOT hire someone, or accept someone with a BA in whatever and also stop bitching.
Likewise, parents who are fearful that "unqualified" waygooks are teaching their children need to demand that their hagwon or public school raise pay in order to hire people at the level of qualification they want. As for now, the level of qualified, per the Korean government, is BA in anything. Don't like it? Change it. |
But you know that 90% of hagwons don't want to work with actual professional teachers and even most public schools would have no idea what to do whether someone qualified to teach ESL to children in a western country turned up or they got a random packpacker. Even most unis don't someone who's going to try to challenge the undergrads too much or hold them to too high a standard. If Korea were serious about qualifications it would start by weeding out the 25%+ of English teachers who are simply not nearly fluent in English. |
And therein lies the problem... gosh forbid Koreans should step on the toes of the old Korean teachers who cannot hold a conversation in English, yet are paid to "teach" it to Korean children.
Hiring certified waygook teachers actually embarrasses the old Korean guard. Gosh forbid THAT should be allowed to happen. It's far easier for them to sit back, safe under their own erroneous laws, and bitch about those "unqualified" waygooks they're hiring!
Korea -- always the victim of something. |
And that's just it. If Mr I-no-possible-makie-sentence Kim gets a 23-year-old packpacker for a CT at least Mr Kim knows significantly more about the educational system and TESOL theory, and probably knows more about grammatical terminology (whether he can construct a grammatical sentence or not). If he gets someone who's very knowledgeable about TESOL and grammar, it's only a matter of time until whitey learns more about the Korean educational system and renders him utterly useless except in an administrative role. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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I did this once, and those of you who learned English out of a Warriner's will sympathize, but one of the teachers dragged me out of my class into hers to ask if a sentence was correct. So I diagrammed it on the board and explained why it was technically accurate. Took about a minute. She translated what I said into Korean (teaching English grammar in English is a bitch).
Then I said "But people don't talk like that, do it this way." "Isn't that way wrong?" "Yeah, but that's English..." |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Hey, I have a teaching degree, but it doesn't bother me at all if these DUMBASS kimberly's keep shooting themselves in the foot; I get paid and I get paid with a lacksadaisacal work ethic; if any of these moronic retards start talking trash to me, I show them the Bachelor of Education, tell them that there is no Enguhlishee and pat them on the back for a face saving job well done!
If you know what that means-which is another 25 years of Enguhlishee teaching by foreigners |
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