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bangbayed
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Ahmadinejad's speech was tailored to resonate with a predominately Christian audience before he laughs with his generals in private and says, "Phuck Jesus, who do we bomb next?"
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe the last country that Iran bombed was Saddam's Iraq. |
Try Israel 2006, via Hezbollah. |
"via" 
As long as you hold that rule for other nations, like the US. |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Personally I have a problem with the Iranian President using Christ as a topic of discussion.
I have spoken with the Bahai who were treated badly in Iran and we all know of the case of the ex muslim who became a christian and was sunsequently executed for that.
I also personally feel that if you are a supporter of Islam then you dont have a very real understanding of Christianity as your religion is all about stating how much better you are than the others.
Personally, I take the current President of Iran as a joke and give no respect to his message. If I have to listen to all the anti Bush people in the the world then I have no problem with being anti- ________.
Its the same in my book and extremist Fundamentalist muslims are in the same book as extremist Nazis or Communists, they are not even worth pissing on if they are on fire. |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Edit -sorry again slowness of the computer |
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it's full of stars
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Well said Summer Wine, though I do think that an increase in "pisses on extremists" might have a more beneficial and satisfying effect for all parties than you give it credit for.
Wheresmedinnerjacket? being a case in point. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: |
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I also personally feel that if you are a supporter of Islam then you dont have a very real understanding of Christianity as your religion is all about stating how much better you are than the others.
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Yeah, but a Jewish person could say the same thing about Christians, ie. they talk about the Jewish god and the Jewish prophets all the time, even though they claim that Christianity is better than Judaism as a result of having Christ.
Personally, I don't care. Jesus Christ is an historical figure, about whom non-Christians have been talking for millenia. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who wants to has the right to talk about him. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Its the same in my book and extremist Fundamentalist muslims are in the same book as extremist Nazis.... |
...oohhhh, better be careful. The UN might be reading:
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Denmark: UN to decide legality of comparing Muslims to Nazis
The UN will decide if several prominent members of the Danish People's Party, including party chairman Pia Kj�rsgaard, crossed the line when they compared Muslims with Nazis and headscarves with swastikas.
In the upcoming year the UN's Human Rights Committee in Geneva will receive a complaint from the Documentation and Counseling Center on Race Discrimination (DRC).
The complaint says that the state prosecutor refused to deal with a complaint from the Center about Pia Kj�rsgaard, EU parliament member Mogens Camre and the two Danish parliament members S�ren Krarup and Morten Messerschmidt.
The head of the center, Niels-Erik Hansen, accuses the prosecution of not willing to take a stand in the case. |
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2008/12/denmark-un-to-decide-legality-of.html
http://www.berlingske.dk/article/20081228/politik/812280308/ |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| ...anyone who wants to has the right to talk about him. |
Of course. People discuss and debate and praise and ridicule him all the time in contemporary society -- South Park, for example. But when some cite him as a, they hope, effective propagandistic device, do you object when I say we should take note of it? What is wrong with people's critically evaluating others' talking about Jesus Christ?
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Mises: the United Nations has long ceased to pursue the high purposes its founders had dreamt for it, instead sinking into increasingly new depths of pettiness. Unfortunate. That being said, I have always found such concepts as "Islamofascism" silly. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| But when some cite him as a, they hope, effective propagandistic device, do you object when I say we should take note of it? What is wrong with people's critically evaluating others' talking about Jesus Christ? |
Nothing at all is wrong with it. I just didn't really share your sense that it was "weird" for a Muslim extremist to talk about Jesus.
Maybe this will give you some idea of where I'm coming from here...
I would consider it rather weird if a leader of the Buddhist militias in Sri Lanka were to cite Christ in a speech, at least in the offhand way that Ahmadinejad did. Even if the Buddhist were addressing Christians. Why? Because Jesus plays no role whatsoever in Buddhism. You can't say the same thing about Jesus' role in Islam. |
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Gopher
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I understand your perspective, On the Other Hand. Do you think that Imadinnerjacket or any other Islamic extremist regularly turns to Jesus Christ for spiritual and/or political guidance? If not, then you likely agree with me that this is mere pretext to score rhetorical points -- and it contain no substance whatsoever.
Perhaps "weird" or whatever exactly I said represents inappropriate word choice. It was a spontaneously-written post. In any case, I think you understand my point by now. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| That being said, I have always found such concepts as "Islamofascism" silly. |
It is just a pejorative that has a commonly used root. Like the lefties, and all being a nazi etc.
What the obedient muslims offer isn't fascism but just plain old 4th century barbarism molesting 21st century European-style radical ethnocentrism. Yes, sure, there is some variation (some 4th century, some 7th) etc. |
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