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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
Religion Poisons Everything. |
Ain't that the truth.  |
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Kimbop

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Trevor wrote: |
Well, there's one thing I am happy about. In this volley, it looks like Israel is going to finally and conclusively reveal themselves as the revolting, repulsive and utterly inhuman bunch of racist filth that the world has seen since Nazi Germany and finally, finally, finally they will be forced to eat all the dogshit they have been spewing out, along with the hideous and repulsive people who say things like Palestinians "are like a Cancer on the world."
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It seems as though Trevor already has his mind made up. He also can't move beyond meaningless ad hominem since he lacks the ability to form an argument based on fact and reason.
Palistinian values and beliefs leave much to be desired. Whereas Israel values equality of the sexes, freedom, democracy, bikinis, and beer, Hamas is solely dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Which side brainwashes their children with hate propaganda? Which side officially advocates suicide bombing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Nidal
Which side is at least trying to make things work?? Read about what happened at Camp David. Isreal spewing dogshlt ? Last I checked, they spew cures for diseases, quality healthcare, and Nobel prizes. Riddle me this: switch around every human being in Idaho with every Palistianian. Idaho would turn into the WORST US state, while Gaza and the west bank would flourish. Israel would be happy to let them in, since Idahoans value education, science, and freedom; things that palsteinians do not.
Palistine created many of their own problems. Arafat didn't have to be so stubborn at the camp david talks. They don't HAVE TO reproduce among the highest on earth. And they don't have to enshrine their national ideology through a political party dedicated solely to hatred and destruction. Alternatively they could put down the Koran and the rocks, and close their legs. (If you can't afford to feed your own people, and rely primarily on handouts, then stop reproducing!!) But it's not ALL Palestine's fault: they conveniently forget to blame Egypt and Jordan for past occupations; two superpowers that HATE having a non-islamic, free country right next door.
Admit this much, Trevor: Israel benefits humanity, while Hamas/islam detracts from it!
Bangabyed; have you ever lived in a muslim country?? "Islam has bloody borders." It is an evil ideology. DOn't be afraid to call a spade a spade. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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I am delighted to see so many people expose their ignorance and racism so that we can clearly see what this latest incursion is really about and the character of the individuals supporting it. Keep those gems coming. Especially statements like "Islam is an evil ideology." (Mods: If I said the same thing about Judaism I'd get a note. Shame on you).
Isreal said this morning it would be "a war to the bitter end," as if there were some sort of bravery involved. Tanks against slingshots.
Keep it up. You are in wonderful company.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Firstly, islam isn't a race.
Trevor wrote: |
Keep those gems coming. Especially statements like "Isalm is an evil ideology." |
It is an "evil" ideology. Though I'm uncomfortable using the word "evil" as it has a religious root, the intolerance and violence commanded in islam surely qualifies it even by the most secular meaning of "evil" as such.
Even so, the Israeli response and actions are unreasonable. It is possible to be both opposed to bombing civilians (even if Hamas uses them as shields) and to oppose the nonsense spat by the Religion of Peace. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Here is what the Religion of Peace has to say about the Jews:
"Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray."
Muslims generally interpret "those whom Allah has favored," "those who earn Allah's anger," and "those who go astray" as Muslims, Jews, and Christians, respectively. 1:6-7
Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61
Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96
"They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24
Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47
Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims. 4:51
"Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52
For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1
Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64
The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71
Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30
Totally unrelated, I'm sure. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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Almost all of the problems in the world are now caused by muslims. Thailand used to be a pretty safe place not that long ago. Now they are bombing innocent civilians. The Philippines has a province that has people training to be terrorists and occasionally they bomb Manila. Look in Africa, most of the problems come from muslims too. Then you look in the middle east. They have always been attacking either each other or us. As my mate said "Bush made a mistake going in there because if we have just left them alone, they would have been happy killing each other".
The fact is that they think that we should all become muslims and they are hell bent on changing us all over the world. They come to my country because their own country is shithole and then they try and force their values upon us. I hope that Australia stops letting mulsims in actually. They don't respect our way of life, yet they want to live in our countries and try to change our own societies to be just like the shithole they escaped from.
They are like a cancer and it is spreading. 60 years ago the Japanese had to be made bitches of due to the Japanese government's ideas about how they are racially superior. Today the problem is Muslims. They are that nuts that when they don't have any evil western people to kill, they even fight over what demonination of Islam is better. They are nuts....
Israel on the other hand is a pretty decent country. The people there are quite happy, quite well looked after and are just protecting themselves from the threat that they are faced with on a daily basis. Anyone who thinks that they are the problem probably aren't worth talking to.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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bjonothan wrote: |
Almost all of the problems in the world are now caused by muslims. |
Dude, that's way extreme. I'm usually the anti-islam quack around here but you're putting me to shame. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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It isn't extreme, it's the truth. Ok, go through all of the problems in the world now and see if I am right. Most people are getting the shits with Muslims because they cause too much trouble. Now it has spilled into India as well. Which country will be next?
Australia has already stopped a lot of major terrorist attacks. If we ever have a big attack, I hope we go into the country responsible for it and do worse than what the Israelis have just done.
I don't hate all Muslims. I hate what they call a religion. It is a joke and it holds them about a thousand years behind the rest of the world and the radical ones are filling their heads with all sorts of crazy stuff.
In fact, in Australia, the top muslim cleric a few years ago said that women are like pieces of meat. When cats eat the meat that we put outside it isn't their fault. It should have been covered. he said women are the same. If they don't cover up, they are askign to be raped.
In the UK, one of the preachers referred to the hijackers behind the September 11, 2001 attacks as the "magnificent 19". He was inciting hate against the country that gave them their freedom. |
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Kimbop

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Trevor wrote: |
I am delighted to see so many people expose their ignorance and racism so that we can clearly see what this latest incursion is really about and the character of the individuals supporting it. Keep those gems coming. Especially statements like "Islam is an evil ideology." (Mods: If I said the same thing about Judaism I'd get a note. Shame on you).
Isreal said this morning it would be "a war to the bitter end," as if there were some sort of bravery involved. Tanks against slingshots.
Keep it up. You are in wonderful company. |
Constructive criticism!
NOT !!
Moi? Ignorant?? C'mon Treovor, (or should I call you fromtheuk ??) add something to the discussion! Admit that Hamas acts in detriment to Palestinians -- NOT in favor! Admit that Israel is attacking Hamas' weapons caches! Admit that Israel is bombing whackos who launch rockets! (Not sling shots!) And admit that the bombings are in retaliation to Hamas' violence and hatred!
Peace! (And I mean that!) |
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the ireland

Joined: 11 May 2008 Location: korea
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
the ireland wrote: |
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People are allowed to have their own opinions and beliefs. some people believe that Isreal is not a state to be recognised as it was taken from the palistinians and given to Jewish people as a bit of a 'thank you' and a place to call home. which was accepted )kind of at first but then they took advantage and started to take arab land from palistine that wasn't theirs.
then you have the jewish people's belief (and probably the English belief too, they know a thing or two about stealing land )...........
but seriously, either way, an arguement on dave's is hardly going to solve it. |
Yes, people are allowed to have their own opinions and beliefs...but when it goes against history, then said people should be educated. Such as this sentence in your post "...but then they took advantage and started to take arab land from palistine that wasn't theirs"
This is nonsense. Israel never took over any land until they were attacked. |
I love how you stated Isreal never took any land............until they were attacked, even if it was the case, it doesn't matter, they still took it and it wasn't theirs to take!!! if you hit me does that mean i can take your house??? i'd like to see how that one goes down where you live!!! |
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samcheokguy

Joined: 02 Nov 2008 Location: Samcheok G-do
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Imagine if a debate about pizza went like this
A:"Pizza hut is the best pizza."
B:"No Papa John's is the best Pizza."
A: "It is really stupid to disagree violently about pizza."
B: Kills person A
B: "All who say Papa John's is best must be killed."
--Given enough time there will just be more B than A in the Pizza debate. Most muslims don't want to kill anybody. But you only need a few who do to terrify entire communities. Add in a lack of women and you get a whole bunch of horny, angry, nut jobs. Islamic terrorism is more demographic than anything else. |
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the ireland

Joined: 11 May 2008 Location: korea
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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samcheokguy wrote: |
Imagine if a debate about pizza went like this
A:"Pizza hut is the best pizza."
B:"No Papa John's is the best Pizza."
A: "It is really stupid to disagree violently about pizza."
B: Kills person A
B: "All who say Papa John's is best must be killed."
--Given enough time there will just be more B than A in the Pizza debate. Most muslims don't want to kill anybody. But you only need a few who do to terrify entire communities. Add in a lack of women and you get a whole bunch of horny, angry, nut jobs. Islamic terrorism is more demographic than anything else. |
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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To characterize all because of one is wrong.
"one of the preachers"
Hamas is not Islam.
Hezbollah is not Islam.
Abu Sayaff is not Islam.
Abu Nidal is not Islam.
Al Aqsa is not Islam.
Al Badr is not Islam.
Al Ghurbaa is not Islam.
Al Itihaad Al Islamiya is not Islam.
Al Qa'ida is not Islam.
Al Umar Mujahideen is not Islam.
Ansar Al Islam is not Islam.
Ansar Al Sunna is not Islam.
Arme Islamic Group (GIA) is not Islam.
Asbat Al Ansar is not Islam.
Baloch Liberation Army is not Islam.
Deendar Anjuman is not Islam.
Islamic Jihad is not Islam.
Fatah Al Islam is not Islam.
Al Gama'a Al Islamiyya is not Islam.
Great Eatern Islamic Raiders not Islam.
Harkut ul Jihad Al Islami is not Islam.
Harkat-ul-Mujahideen- al-Islami is not Islam.
Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin is not Islam.
Hizbul Mujahideen is not Islam.
Islamic Army of Aden is not Islam.
Islamic Jihad Union is not Islam.
Jaish e Mohammed is not Islam.
Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen is not Islam.
Harkat ul-Ansar is not Islam.
J&K Islamic Front is not Islam.
Jemaah Islamiyah is not Islam.
Khuddam ul-Islam is not Islam.
The list goes on but non of them represent Islam is full. |
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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the ireland wrote: |
TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
the ireland wrote: |
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People are allowed to have their own opinions and beliefs. some people believe that Isreal is not a state to be recognised as it was taken from the palistinians and given to Jewish people as a bit of a 'thank you' and a place to call home. which was accepted )kind of at first but then they took advantage and started to take arab land from palistine that wasn't theirs.
then you have the jewish people's belief (and probably the English belief too, they know a thing or two about stealing land )...........
but seriously, either way, an arguement on dave's is hardly going to solve it. |
Yes, people are allowed to have their own opinions and beliefs...but when it goes against history, then said people should be educated. Such as this sentence in your post "...but then they took advantage and started to take arab land from palistine that wasn't theirs"
This is nonsense. Israel never took over any land until they were attacked. |
I love how you stated Isreal never took any land............until they were attacked, even if it was the case, it doesn't matter, they still took it and it wasn't theirs to take!!! if you hit me does that mean i can take your house??? i'd like to see how that one goes down where you live!!! |
Is this the same the Ireland that supported Nazi Germany?
http://www.markhumphrys.com/sfira.tyranny.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRA_Abwehr_WW2
Just making sure we understand your perspective.
Please continue. |
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bangbayed

Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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bjonothan wrote: |
Almost all of the problems in the world are now caused by muslims...The fact is that they think that we should all become muslims and they are hell bent on changing us all over the world...They are like a cancer and it is spreading. ... |
bjonothan wrote: |
I don't hate all Muslims. I hate what they call a religion. I |
Right. So that's kind of like saying I don't hate all Christians, I just hate their religion?
And when it comes to proselytizing, I've never had a Muslim try to convert me to their faith. Has that happened to anyone else here?
*crickets*
Nice attempt at a straw man there, though. |
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