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curlyhoward
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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 Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: Korean Englishee Teacher vs. Non-Natibee Englishee Teacher |
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Scenario:
Korean English Teacher- Degree in English, but not a native speaker
Indian/Filipino/ETC English Teacher- Degree in English, but not a native speaker
What's the freaking point?
To me, this only suggests that Korea has the bottom of the barrel when it comes to its own teachers.
So, are all of these Degreed Non-Native English-Speaking Teachers better than the Korean English-Speaking Teachers? |
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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Yes.
Korean PS teachers usually do not speak English or even English-e. Phillis and Indians usually do.
I meet pakistanis on the subway who work in my local industrial complex who speak better English than Korean University English professors.
I even taught at a company in my local industrial complex and the korean students complained that the Chinese, Pakistanis, and Indians all communicated in English and it made them (the Koreans) feel weird because they could not understand them- even after learning english-e from elementary school. lol.
They should bring start bringing in hispanics to teach english here. Hell, anything is better than the system they have in place. - you know, the one that is not working....
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Korean Englishee Teacher vs. Non-Natibee Englishee Teach |
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| curlyhoward wrote: |
Scenario:
Korean English Teacher- Degree in English, but not a native speaker
Indian/Filipino/ETC English Teacher- Degree in English, but not a native speaker
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This scenario could be wildly entertaining to watch as Korean Englishee accent fights Punjabi or Singlish for control and students` bewildered attention. |
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curlyhoward
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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I having a feeling this is going to blow the Korean English-Teachers' egos. Perhaps it is lesser of a threat to the egos than having a Native Speaker in the room.
I'm curious how the Teachers' Union feels about this? |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| curlyhoward wrote: |
I having a feeling this is going to blow the Korean English-Teachers' egos. Perhaps it is lesser of a threat to the egos than having a Native Speaker in the room.
I'm curious how the Teachers' Union feels about this? |
No, I think it's more of a threat-no face saving is possible for them when this happens.
This will be funny.
It's true, Mr. Dokdo, it's damn true. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Non native, but a much higher fluency and better pronunciation than most K-teachers. |
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Chet Wautlands
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| It should be interesting. Why aren't Koreans learning English while so many other countries are? What's "wrong" with the system? |
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SHANE02
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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I have limited experience with Korean teachers of English. The grammar teachers I've met have had poor pronunciation and always slipped into Konglish.
I dated a Korean English teacher who had a masters in English. She couldn't put a good sentence together in conversation I'd take the indian/philipino over that any day.
BTW: why can't a grammar teacher make a decent spoken sentence if they know all the rues so well? |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| SHANE02 wrote: |
I have limited experience with Korean teachers of English. The grammar teachers I've met have had poor pronunciation and always slipped into Konglish.
I dated a Korean English teacher who had a masters in English. She couldn't put a good sentence together in conversation I'd take the indian/philipino over that any day.
BTW: why can't a grammar teacher make a decent spoken sentence if they know all the rues so well? |
They learned the grammar rules in a translation English-Korean style theory but most of them never put it into real life practice. |
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Mr-Dokdo
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Chet Wautlands wrote: |
| It should be interesting. Why aren't Koreans learning English while so many other countries are? What's "wrong" with the system? |
Simple: just look at who's "teaching" them! The day they send us all home and get in some real teachers---not just white+BA-in-Anything---things will start to happen. And that day will come; so let's stop thge whining and make merry while the going's still good! |
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Chet Wautlands wrote: |
| It should be interesting. Why aren't Koreans learning English while so many other countries are? What's "wrong" with the system? |
The main thing that's wrong with the system is that they use the "Grammar Translation Method", which is largely discredited in the EFL community. They study, do pointless drills, etc. and do their level best to avoid actually *using* English.
Here's something astonishing. I teach an essay writing class to Seniors who will take the Korean English Teacher exam. They're serious English students and have been studying English for many years.
Get this: this is the first essay course they've ever taken. Actually, it's the first time they've *ever* been required to write an essay with an intro, a body of paragraphs, and a conclusion. EVER!!!!
To me that's utterly insane. The same thing applies to conversation, listening, and reading. They don't *use* the language, they *study* it.
I find it distressing and pathetic that when I have lunch with out Uni's English professor, he is incapable of conducting a conversation in English. I had an eight year old girl in a hagwon who could converse more freely. I mean he's a great guy, but I'd be ashamed to be a professor of a language I wasn't fluent in.
A lot of this is generational. My uni students are far better than the professors; in fact the students that passed the first part of the English teacher exam are all fairly fluent, and would be wonderful teachers. It's the older generation that's incompetent, but it's understandable given the economic realities they grew up with.
Still, someone should take a sledgehammer to the English PS curiculum/approach and start from ground zero. I can't think of any institution outside of the Bush White House that fails more consistently on a daily basis. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think you should be able to mock Konglish unless you've learned enough about the language to accurately replicate it. |
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esetters21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
| Chet Wautlands wrote: |
| It should be interesting. Why aren't Koreans learning English while so many other countries are? What's "wrong" with the system? |
Simple: just look at who's "teaching" them! The day they send us all home and get in some real teachers---not just white+BA-in-Anything---things will start to happen. And that day will come; so let's stop thge whining and make merry while the going's still good! |
That is the spirit M-su! |
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i4NI
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Non native, but a much higher fluency and better pronunciation than most K-teachers. |
Hell no, Indian pronunciation is easily one of the worst, but at least it's got comedic value. |
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SHANE02
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| I don't think you should be able to mock Konglish unless you've learned enough about the language to accurately replicate it. |
Dude...what? Replicate Konglish? |
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