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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: 'Half of Native English Instructors Quit after a Year' |
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http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/12/117_37020.html
By Kang Shin-who
Staff Reporter
Only about half of native English speakers working at Seoul schools have renewed their contracts for 2009.
According to Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education, Tuesday, 144 of 273 foreign English teachers who were eligible for a renewal of their contract have signed to stay on another year.
Lee Young-chan, an education Ministry official in charge of native teachers said it was not necessary to renew every contract. ``They are neither regular teachers nor lecturers who can conduct classes independently. They are `assistant teachers,' hence their teaching experience doesn't matter much,'' he said. ``Rather, it's better for students to have more new teachers so that they can meet various kinds of foreigners,'' he added.
Last year, the city education office also saw about half of its foreign teachers renew their one-year contract, however, it had only 11 who had more than three years teaching experience.
``Some foreign teachers did not want to renew due to the devaluing of the won, while others cited worsening relations between South and North Korea,'' said Choi Chun-ok, a supervisor at the education office.
To secure more experienced teachers, the office plans to introduce incentive programs to keep foreigners at the same schools for longer terms.
``Foreign teachers with more experience will receive higher salaries and better working conditions,'' Choi said.
``Many native English teachers are young and return to their countries after a one- or two-year stay in Korea. Moreover many of them who work at schools in rural provinces seek jobs in Seoul,'' said Cho Jeong-im, a middle school teacher in Busan.
The city education authorities plan to hire more foreigners for English conversation classes next year.
Jason Thomas, a Canadian teacher trainer at a Busan university, pointed that the Korean immigration office better extend entitled residence periods for English teaching E-2 visas from the current one year to multiple years to encourage teachers not to change schools so often.
`` Of course, some employers don't want teachers to stay. In fact, with some it is an unstated policy not to employ teachers for more than a year, no matter how good the teachers are,'' Thomas said. ``These employers are more concerned with managing their businesses than providing an education. New teachers often have lower expectations and are easier to manage.''
The total government budget for native English speakers has risen to 147 billion won this year from 105 billion won in 2007 and 69 billion won in 2006. This year, the government is expected to spend some 180 billion won to employ about 4,500 - 5,000 foreign teachers at elementary and secondary schools nationwide. A native English speaker who has just started to teach English in Korea can receive a salary equivalent to that paid to a Korean teacher with five years of experience, an official said.
Some education experts are skeptical about the effectiveness of the system.
``Native English speakers have to get through a certain period of training and need experience and know-how,'' said Jeon Byung-man, an English education professor at Chonbuk National University. ``I don't think native English speakers are helpful for our students. If they need native English speakers, they should hire those who have teaching licenses.''
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Oops, already a thread. Nevertheless, cited for posterity. I suspect a lot of bitterness in that bolded part. Not to say it isn't necessarily true. BUT one can easily say that it's good protection against saying, "Korea IS fucking boring!" To say nothing of the fact that this place, with all its counterfeit credentials, is not warranted in questioning other people's abilities. |
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Suwon Fish
Joined: 11 Nov 2008 Location: Hongdae
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: Re: 'Half of Native English Instructors Quit after a Year' |
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in_seoul_2003 wrote: |
Some education experts are skeptical about the effectiveness of the system.
``Native English speakers have to get through a certain period of training and need experience and know-how,'' said Jeon Byung-man, an English education professor at Chonbuk National University. ``I don't think native English speakers are helpful for our students. If they need native English speakers, they should hire those who have teaching licenses.''
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I am amazed at how about 30% of Korean PS/Uni folks oppose the placing of Native speakers in their workplace.
I am truly curious about the motives... I don't believe they are academic. |
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justaguy
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Well said fish. |
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tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Location: Testicles for Eyes
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: 'Half of Native English Instructors Quit after a Year' |
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in_seoul_2003 wrote: |
I don't think native English speakers are helpful for our students. If they need native English speakers, they should hire those who have teaching licenses.''
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Well that would be very difficult as how many qualified teachers with licenses are actually working in Korea? And if they are, and on E2 visas, they would only be allowed to work in one place anyway.
No, many Koreans think it is far more helpful fo0r their children to spend 20-25million won to send their infant children to a country that's thousands of miles away for one year, then keep them prisoners in hagwons when they get back. That's much more helpful. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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in_seoul_2003 wrote: |
Oops, already a thread. Nevertheless, cited for posterity. I suspect a lot of bitterness in that bolded part. Not to say it isn't necessarily true. BUT one can easily say that it's good protection against saying, "Korea IS fucking boring!" To say nothing of the fact that this place, with all its counterfeit credentials, is not warranted in questioning other people's abilities. |
It's clearly a load of wank anyway, considering it's almost immediately followed with:
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To secure more experienced teachers, the office plans to introduce incentive programs to keep foreigners at the same schools for longer terms.
``Foreign teachers with more experience will receive higher salaries and better working conditions,'' Choi said. |
And maybe if we had more opportunities to move up the ladder here, and becoming better qualified (via investing in degrees and gaining experience) would actually lead to something, we would have the motivation to put in the effort. But as long as they keep us relegated to the realm of novelty, they can't expect things to get much better. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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I'm no Picasso wrote: |
in_seoul_2003 wrote: |
Oops, already a thread. Nevertheless, cited for posterity. I suspect a lot of bitterness in that bolded part. Not to say it isn't necessarily true. BUT one can easily say that it's good protection against saying, "Korea IS fucking boring!" To say nothing of the fact that this place, with all its counterfeit credentials, is not warranted in questioning other people's abilities. |
It's clearly a load of wank anyway, considering it's almost immediately followed with:
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To secure more experienced teachers, the office plans to introduce incentive programs to keep foreigners at the same schools for longer terms.
``Foreign teachers with more experience will receive higher salaries and better working conditions,'' Choi said. |
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But is there going to be any incentive for the school to keep a foreigner on at a higher salary, when they can hire a newbie for less and pocket the difference? |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
I'm no Picasso wrote: |
in_seoul_2003 wrote: |
Oops, already a thread. Nevertheless, cited for posterity. I suspect a lot of bitterness in that bolded part. Not to say it isn't necessarily true. BUT one can easily say that it's good protection against saying, "Korea IS fucking boring!" To say nothing of the fact that this place, with all its counterfeit credentials, is not warranted in questioning other people's abilities. |
It's clearly a load of wank anyway, considering it's almost immediately followed with:
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To secure more experienced teachers, the office plans to introduce incentive programs to keep foreigners at the same schools for longer terms.
``Foreign teachers with more experience will receive higher salaries and better working conditions,'' Choi said. |
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But is there going to be any incentive for the school to keep a foreigner on at a higher salary, when they can hire a newbie for less and pocket the difference? |
Well, that's what I'm saying. They've got no right to complain. It's their system, their design. We're just participating in it. If they change their expectations and alter the system to encourage better qualifications, then that's what they will get. But you can't make comments like the one in bold and then turn around and expect English's best and brightest educators to immediately hop on a flight. |
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hugekebab

Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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`Rather, it's better for students to have more new teachers so that they can meet various kinds of foreigners,'
Yes you always have idiots coming out with lines like that; even ESL doctorates at my school, but the education minister. Jesus Christ. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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By the way, apparently Mr. Lee Young-chan is also unaware of exactly how many of us "assistants" teach our classes entirely on our own... |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Mr Lee is a classic example of why all that money spent will amount to so very little learned. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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We're only teaching assistants? First time I've heard about this
All I know is that I get 45 kids thrown at me, 16 times a week and I don't assist anything. I teach. I'm lucky if I even get assisted by someone else.
If we're only assistants, why are we treated like and given the responsibilities of regular teachers? |
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tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Location: Testicles for Eyes
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
But is there going to be any incentive for the school to keep a foreigner on at a higher salary, when they can hire a newbie for less and pocket the difference? |
If the teacher is:
1. Competant in delivering (or assisting to deliver) good lessons
2. Able to cross the street by themselves
3. Willing to take part in teachers 'gatherings'
4. Able to use chopsticks
5. Able to eat Kimchi
I would say that is incentive enough. Obviously number one is the most important, but why would a school not keep somebody who has the above skills, when they could get any old asshat as a replacement? Would it be just to save money, or that, deep down, they don't really give a shit about English education? Or both?? |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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tiger fancini wrote: |
TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
But is there going to be any incentive for the school to keep a foreigner on at a higher salary, when they can hire a newbie for less and pocket the difference? |
If the teacher is:
1. Competant in delivering (or assisting to deliver) good lessons
2. Able to cross the street by themselves
3. Willing to take part in teachers 'gatherings'
4. Able to use chopsticks
5. Able to eat Kimchi
I would say that is incentive enough. Obviously number one is the most important, but why would a school not keep somebody who has the above skills, when they could get any old asshat as a replacement? Would it be just to save money, or that, deep down, they don't really give a shit about English education? Or both?? |
Saving money yet pouring it down the drain privately and then not giving a crap about the students learning. Both. |
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bogey666

Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:34 am Post subject: |
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``Native English speakers have to get through a certain period of training and need experience and know-how,'' said Jeon Byung-man, an English education professor at Chonbuk National University. ``I don't think native English speakers are helpful for our students. If they need native English speakers, they should hire those who have teaching licenses.''
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this idiot assclown (Jeon Byung-man) should read up on what's happening within the Gates Foundation which has invested BILLIONS of dollars into educational approaches and teaching, etc etc)
know what they've found?
(obviously this pisses off the teachers unions and assclowns like "professor" Jeon Byung-man)
a) possessing a master's in education seems to make minimal if any difference in quality of teaching
b) the Gates Foundation is now making an active distinction between "qualified" teachers (what teachers unions and assclown Jeon Byung-man are concerned with) and
"EFFECTIVE TEACHERS".
because LO and BEHOLD , the two are NOT necessarily identical much less synonymous.
p.s. by this I'm not saying teachers do not need professional training and development, but it's not a means within itself. |
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