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friendoken
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| Israel: Welcome to the 21st century's version of Nazis. Anybody who believes Jews want peace is nuts. They want to control the world, clearly. I'd like to see the Arab world, along with India, Pakistan, China, and Russia declare war on Israel. Then what will the USA do? God's chosen people??? God is an a$$hole! |
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Jandar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:19 am Post subject: |
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I like the post about how Israel does not have the ability to make peace with the Palestineans - only the Palestineans have the power to bring peace.
By the law of averages, I would say there are probably Israelis who do not want peace but I'm willing to wager the vast majority of Israelis would jump at the opportunity to live peacefully side by side with the Palestineans.
I know this may not be the most PC thing to say in the world but while I am sympathetic for the Palestineans that have lost land if we look back to the history of the world and tried to right every wrong - some things just cannot be done. Find peace and prosper. Imagine all the international aid that would flow into Palestine if a relatively-democratic and peaceful government could be established! I'm sure that money and the safety of their children would more than compensate for lost land.
But, the Palestineans have not chosen that route. It would certainly put Israel on notice. |
The biggest part of the problem is that Hamas does not love the children of Palestine.
As an example the Hamas leader killed today while cowering in the shield
of his 4 wives and twelve children, had been held famous for sending his
son into Israel strapped in a bomb vest where he was detonated and died.
This is how they love their children. |
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SHANE02
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| This thing should be CURRENT EVENTS. |
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Jeff's Cigarettes
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah...another sploodydope thread. |
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Jandar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:49 am Post subject: |
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If you read the OP he had his reasons,
and I think the Mods have by their
inaction validated the OPs purpose. |
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Insidejohnmalkovich
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Location: Pusan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| We flattened Dresden in the second world war. Not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Let the Jews flatten Gaza. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Do you really think the Zionists were solely intent on staying withing the boundaries given to them under the British mandate? |
I dont pretend to know what they were thinking! |
How can you even try to argue against this?
Why did the European-Jews move in mass to British controlled Palestine following the war and even during and prior to it?
Why not go to Argentina or Kenya? They went to this land because of its historical importance for the Jewish people. It had once been their homeland (thousands of years ago) and they had a religious affiliation with this land.
Therefore it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that the leaders amongst the Zionist movement in Europe and the States had designs all along to retain this historic territory.
That's also why a group of Jewish (dare I say it) terrorists bombed the King David hotel in order to get the British to flee so that they could take control of the territory on their own without an outside colonial threat.
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| I mean come one! They (the Zionists) had greater territorial aspirations form the get-go. If you don't believe this then you're kidding yourself. |
arrogant speculation on your part, who's kidding who? |
Prove me wrong!
You made the accusation, therefore show me that the Zionists were only intent on staying within the territory afforded to them under the British Mandate?
Also tell me why they immediately followed this mandate by attacking and removing non-Jews from this territory?
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| Following the British Mandate and for at least 30 years prior to that there had been an ever increasing presence of Jewish refugees coming to Palestine. |
why is that? Is it due to an increasing hostility and pressure from islamic forces in the area? Do you have any stats to back this up or is it simply more speculation dripping from your ass? |
What are you even talking about?
It's not like following World War 2, all the Jews came on a boat and settled in Palestine.
Like I said this Jewish presence had been occurring during and even prior to the war.
Although the greatest numbers did obviously occur after the war.
I don't need to give you a history lesson on the Jewish settlement of Palestine. You could do that yourself.
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| How do you think the Palestinian people should of reacted to this? And how do you think they should have reacted once the British handed over portions of their own territory to create an Israeli state? |
there has never been a palestinian people, are you so ignorant of history? |
Not Palestinian people by that specific term (I know this) but there were certainly people there.
And wait to duck the question there.
Care to try to answer this question.....
.....I'm still waiting......
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| Of course their going to attack! They were completely justified to do so. |
in that case Isreal is more than justified by responding in kind.....wake up and smell the coffee! |
Thanks again for ducking my point. Look like I'm responding to a coward.
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| The Israelis used this attack (and I hesitate to call it an attack because the Israelis were also attacking the Palestinians prior to and immediately after the mandate - along with using terrorist tactics to get the British to leave) along with the wars in '54 and '67 to acquire more territory. A plan they had from the beginning. |
as were the so called palestinines ...why judge one but not the other? |
Because in the modern scope of history, it was the Jews who started this conflict.
I mean it's sickening what happened to them during the war. Just horrible.
But I don't think the solution to that was to migrate to a part of the world already occupied by a people.
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| The Zionists had a expansionist colonialist mindset from the beginning of the 1900s. Long before the Sykes-Pico agreement and the British Mandate. |
seig heil mein fuhrer! neo nazi much>? |
Now that's just uncalled for.
Why would you even go there?
I mean just because I disagree with the policies of the State if Israel, it doesn't mean I'm a Nazi.
I mean, what the f-ck?
I can't stand this line of thought by Jews of supporters of Israel. Just because we may disagree it doesn't give you the right to call me an anti-Semite or even worse a Nazi sympathizer.
And this is done far too often.
I believe me I'm no fan of Islam and many of the cultural practices of the Arab people.
I'm just calling it like it is. I don't think the Jews should of been given Palestine following the war. And I especially don't like how the Israelis have taken over the region and now hold the Palestinian people in virtual prision states in Gaza and the West Bank.
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The Palestinians were witness to this.
Yes, they attacked the Israelis, but let's not forget that the Israelis also did much of the attacking and in many cases initiated it. |
so you admit they attacked isreal but try to justify it with the chicken and the egg argument, are you intelligent? |
It's not a chicken and the Egg argument. Like I said, in the modern scope of history, the Jews began this conflict by settling on land that wasn't there's to begin with.
Now this is coming from a Canadian who grew up on land once settled by Cree and Assiniboine natives.
Yeah, I'm a hypocrite. |
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whatever
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whatever
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| oldtactics wrote: |
| ...an Israeli state on the offensive, trying to extinguish life in the Gaza Strip rather than recognize that Hamas is a terrorist group and does not speak/act for the entire area. |
Hamas was elected into power by the Palestinian people, genius. So, they have to deal with the mistakes of their elected officials, just like I, as an American, has to deal with the fallout of dumb/appalling moves like Iraq perpetuated by my elected officials (whom I, personally, don't support. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Protesting Israeli aggression - I don't get it |
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I know this is way off topic here but I don't post threads anywhere else so....
Apparently there are many people in many countries, including heads of state, and at the UN, who are protesting Israeli attacks in the Gaza strip. I hear terms being used like 'illegal' and 'inhumane'. Over the last two days, I have watched countless interviews on CNN by both parties and I have to tell you I just don't understand the Arab position.
Israel has every right to take steps to protect it's citizens. This particular incident began because Hamas fired rockets into Israel. This was clearly an aggressive act if not a declaration of war. Israel not only had a right but an obligation to retaliate. And yet it seems that everyone is crying foul.
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Let's look at this in another light. Let us say, for example, that Cuba sent rockets into the U.S. and killed U.S. citizens. Would the U.S. not have an obligation to retaliate or to at least neutralize the threat?
There are claims though that Israel is attacking innocent civilians. But innocent civilians are casualties of war. More blame should be placed on Hamas for having its base of operations in civilian centers.
Unfortunately it seems there is no solution. Many Arabs are unable to see clearly on this issue. Israel has made every effort to make peace. Let us not forget that the Gaza strip was taken after an aggressive attack on Israel in the Six Day War, in an effort to prevent further aggression. And when Israel gave Gaza its independence the first thing they did was elect Hamas to power; an terrorist organization which refuses to recognize Israel and openly advocates violence against Israel. Every time Israel makes a peaceful gesture, it is met with aggression.
Is everyone so blind? I just don't understand. |
IF the muslims really cared about the Palestines, they would give them land in the billion of acres that they have. However, it's all about using the Palestines as a way of destroying/provoking Israel in giving up more and more land.
Israel should never give up land for the false peace treaties that are brokered. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| friendoken wrote: |
| Israel: Welcome to the 21st century's version of Nazis. Anybody who believes Jews want peace is nuts. They want to control the world, clearly. I'd like to see the Arab world, along with India, Pakistan, China, and Russia declare war on Israel. Then what will the USA do? God's chosen people??? God is an a$$hole! |
What are you...a communist? God, I hope India doesn't get sucked in to your war. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:27 am Post subject: Re: Protesting Israeli aggression - I don't get it |
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IF the muslims really cared about the Palestines, they would give them land in the billion of acres that they have. However, it's all about using the Palestines as a way of destroying/provoking Israel in giving up more and more land.
Israel should never give up land for the false peace treaties that are brokered. |
Well the nation of Jordan has a Palestinian majority and many of the Gulf States also have high populations of Palestinians.
But also countries around Israel will likely never go to war over the Palestinians for two reasons:
(1) The Israelis are way too strong.
(2) War poses the threat of creating instability and that's the last thing regimes like Egypt, Syria and especially Saudi Arabia needs.
Because once the authorities begin to loose power in these countries, Islamic radicals will be right there to take their place.
And what exactly do you mean by "Israel should never give up land for the false peace treaties that are brokered"?
I don't understand the point you were trying to make. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| friendoken wrote: |
| Israel: Welcome to the 21st century's version of Nazis. Anybody who believes Jews want peace is nuts. They want to control the world, clearly. I'd like to see the Arab world, along with India, Pakistan, China, and Russia declare war on Israel. Then what will the USA do? God's chosen people??? God is an a$$hole! |
What are you...a communist? God, I hope India doesn't get sucked in to your war. |
Why even respond to this quote 5eagles? It's just plain stupid. India joining Pakistan?
What needs to be done is:
(1) Remove the idea of a right of return for the Palestinians who had homes inside what is now the state of Israel.
(2) Israel needs to return the favor by removing all settlements from the West Bank. The power vacume should be filled in with an international force. Similar to the once in Cyprus.
The international force would then need to boost up the Palestinians security forces and do everything in their power to get an economy running there.
This international force will have to be there for at least 5 years. |
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Jeff's Cigarettes
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| What "international force"....man!...you moonbats are delusional. I say to Hammass...fire off some more rockets....hahahahahahhahahhah... |
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traxxe
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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I -never- understood how after WWII that the Jews deserved their own state or any land in Israel where none had existed for over two thousand years. The Jews were reinserted into Israel based on a Judeo-Christian desire to retake the 'holy' land from muslims. For that reason I call bullshit on Israel.
The holocaust does not merit invasion and the stealing of land from people. Two wrongs do not make a right. I understand why Palestenians fight and target civillians and I do not fault them for it. If the Chinese successfully invaded America and forced my family onto reservations where I was denied freedom and the opportunity for any achievements I'd strap a bomb and kill anyone I could to try and take back my homeland.
That said I get angry when I see Palestinians confronting Israeli police, tanks, etc.
What do you see?
You see a bunch of guys throwing rocks. ROCKS? Come on. Advance out of the stone age. Take some broken rebar from the rubble, get some string and craft a freaking bow and arrow or some crap. Rocks? At least use a sling? Throwing rocks? Come on... how about spears? Ugh. It drives me batshit insane. |
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