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What is a good 10-year goal for living in Korea?
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: What is a good 10-year goal for living in Korea? Reply with quote

Let me elaborate~

Currently I am considering additional courses to raise pay, and enhance my skill as an ESL teacher. Planning to return in March, but I am wary of the public school cap on NETs Rolling Eyes and the double-standard buddy/boss hogwan style of business with NETs Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

My questions are: 1) who has been here for over 5 years and how do you support yourself & family? (if you have one)
2) what do you see yourself doing in the next 5 years? staying or moving on?
3) what is a good 10 year goal for living in Korea, with regards to professional development?

thanks
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asams



Joined: 17 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can give you a general answer and i've only been here 3 weeks:

DON'T!

that's what most people are gonna say - for me, i'm on a 2 year world exploration plan - may stay in korea, may move to another part of asia

after that no one knows
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm...

like it or not, working in Korea can help pay for your "world tour"

and I've been there over 3 weeks. This question wasn't for you.
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in my second year and my goal if I should stay for 10 years would be to earn my MA in TESL.

My main goal for the 5 year mark is to pay off most of my student debt.
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 year plan...Financial independence/retirement.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good ten year plan for Korea?

Not being here, is probably your best bet. Korea's great for 3-5 years, but the idea of staying any longer is so out of the question if you have any standards for quality of life. Let's not even get into the possibility of *shudder* raising a family here...
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Bigfeet



Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Grrrrr.....

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I'm staying more than a few years I'm definitely looking into getting an advanced teaching degree. Consider it a career track if you're putting that much time into it. Don't forget that China is an up-and-coming country and pay-wise could be just as competitive as SK in a few years.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: What is a good 10-year goal for living in Korea? Reply with quote

[quote="ThingsComeAround"]1) who has been here for over 5 years and how do you support yourself & family? (if you have one)[quote]

No family. I teach.

[quote]2) what do you see yourself doing in the next 5 years? staying or moving on?[quote]

Working at the same place.

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3) what is a good 10 year goal for living in Korea, with regards to professional development?


1 ~ 2 years -- get CELTA
3 ~ 5 years -- get an MA TESOL
5 ~ 10 years -- work through the system trading up for more attractive jobs
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: What is a good 10-year goal for living in Korea? Reply with quote

beaver wrote:


1 ~ 2 years -- get CELTA
3 ~ 5 years -- get an MA TESOL
5 ~ 10 years -- work through the system trading up for more attractive jobs


Meh... I don't have either of those things (CELTA, MA), and I really don't think I need them at this point. After 8 years of teaching in Korea, what good would a CELTA or MA do for me except to have a piece of paper...? The cost (in time and money) far outweighs the benefit, IMO. My experience and teaching methodology got me my current job over another candidate who had the MA.

OP, ten years is a long time and a lot can happen from now to 2019. I'd stick to more short-term (1-2 years) goals and go from there.
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robot



Joined: 07 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A million dollars.

With the right job, additional streams of income, and investments, it is entirely possible to go from broke to millionaire within a decade in Korea.

Not sure if I want to be here that long -- I'm entering year three -- but figure I'll make it to five at least.

As I am hooked on the idea of private education an have no plans to ever return to the public school board in Canada, I have decided that for me a higher degree isn't worth the investment. But I do want to develop professionally by getting more material published, and in this time I also hope to have fleshed out a couple of other ideas from secondary and tertiary streams of income related to the education field.

Eventually I'll hopefully be able to bring some of this work overseas and carry on from there. I foresee that my career will always be tied to Korea in some way.
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no goals nor plans and never will.
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
I have no goals nor plans and never will.


I think this kind of attitude is the norm for ESL teachers in Korea.

Most however do hope to eventually return home at some point and work there or raise a family there.
IMO it gets harder as the years pass.

Job market at home was tough to begin with but now with the recession it looks like a very bad prospect.

Many people understandably don't leave Korea. Better to do a graduate job here than a non-graduate minimum wage crap job at home.

It really is that tough at home.
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fruitcake



Joined: 18 Apr 2004
Location: shinchon

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
Korea's great for 3-5 years, but the idea of staying any longer is so out of the question if you have any standards for quality of life.


too true. I'm at 7 years and WELL past the breaking point.

i'm getting the *&%* out of here next month
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are pretty sure you'll be teaching ESL for the next five years then do yourself a favour and get a CELTA.

I did the month-long bootcamp after two years in Korea and it has fueled me into my seventh year!

You learn very practical skills of classroom management, time management, lesson planning and teaching English to non-English speakers entirely in the target (English) language.

You will not meet a single person who took the CELTA who regretted it. It is worth it. The fact that public schools pay a bit more in Korea if you get it or its equivalent is beside the point. It's worth it in and of itself.

Do it.

You won't regret it.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been teaching HERE for almost 4 years. In 18 months. Move home to the Philippines. Buy farm (2 weeks from now). Someone else can work it. Get my MA in Rural development. My wife will finish her degree in education. Maybe work a year or two together somewhere else. Then back to the PI to do a PhD in Rural Development. After, maybe work a little bit to practice said PhD. Then be a full-time farmer.
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