Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Globalization
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Off-Topic Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
michaelambling



Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Globalization Reply with quote

I recently left a very promising career in academia (I have a PhD in English, published a book and a few articles), because I was surrounded by pretentious idiots. In one seminar, a very attractive and liked PhD student went on about the "evils of globalization" and how unfortunate it is that English is taught everywhere on Earth, causing an erosion of local cultures. I replied by saying, "Despite how it looks to a rich white European, if I were a farmer in sub-Saharan Africa, I'd sure as hell want to learn English instead of being forced to do business with a tiny sliver of the world's population."

One of the reasons why I'm going back into TEFL is that I honestly believe in its importance for enterprising non-natives who want to succeed in a global economy. The only people who wouldn't like this trend are nationalists, unskilled white laborers, and pompous liberal arts majors with their heads so far up their asses that they're kissing their upper intestines.

Amirite?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mole



Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Globalization Reply with quote

michaelambling wrote:
I recently left a very promising career in academia (I have a PhD in English, published a book and a few articles),
because I was surrounded by pretentious idiots.
...
Amirite?


Seems contagious.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how you and this student contradicted each other. It is an erosion of cultures and an opportunity to get to know the outside world at the same time.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
michaelambling



Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
I don't see how you and this student contradicted each other. It is an erosion of cultures and an opportunity to get to know the outside world at the same time.


We didn't contradict each other at all. It's a difference of value; I think it's better to give everyone on Earth equal opportunities, while he wants to make sure yellow people eat rice, wear pointy hats, and live in huts.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
it's full of stars



Joined: 26 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Sub-Saharan Africans are yellow?)

Yes, you are right brother.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is learning a foreign language and learning about other cultures an erosion of a local culture? Sounds like an expansion of culture to me.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're going to take a salary cut because of this? Why don't you just forgot the whole profession and live in a redwood? There are some trees that need saving.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
michaelambling



Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
So you're going to take a salary cut because of this? Why don't you just forgot the whole profession and live in a redwood? There are some trees that need saving.


I'm actually not taking a pay cut. University professors get paid less than you think, and with the free apartment and lower tax rate, I'll be taking home more from my job in SK than I was at my university.

It's a weird world.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But if you're a professor for 10 years, you're going to be making more... Why give up a career to screw around in Korea?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with your sentiment. We're not forcing Koreans to learn english. That they chase you down on the street and beg you to give them lessons is evidence of that.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
greedy_bones



Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After traveling a bit, I changed my outlook on globalization, or at least the spread of English. In a world with so many languages, it's pretty useful to have a lingua-franca. For example, I had a Korean friend who was dating a German, and they conversed entirely in English, because that was the language that they could both speak. Also, if you travel to anywhere that gets most of its revenue from tourists, people will converse in English because it's considerably more useful to use English as a second language than it is to use Korean, Tagalog, or any other language which is isolated to a single country.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

greedy_bones wrote:
After traveling a bit, I changed my outlook on globalization, or at least the spread of English. In a world with so many languages, it's pretty useful to have a lingua-franca.


agreed
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Koveras



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michaelambling wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
I don't see how you and this student contradicted each other. It is an erosion of cultures and an opportunity to get to know the outside world at the same time.


We didn't contradict each other at all. It's a difference of value; I think it's better to give everyone on Earth equal opportunities, while he wants to make sure yellow people eat rice, wear pointy hats, and live in huts.


He wants them to retain their traditional culture. Do you think rice, hats, and huts are the sum total of asian culture? No? Then don't attack a strawman.


Last edited by Koveras on Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:35 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Koveras



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
How is learning a foreign language and learning about other cultures an erosion of a local culture? Sounds like an expansion of culture to me.


No: multiculturalism is definitely an erosion of culture.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Koveras



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yawarakaijin wrote:
I just love how people pick out one or two key words from what a person writes and tries to make them look silly or "debate" their point. From the context, you understood exactly what the poster was trying to say.


Are you talking to me? I did understand. He was attacking a strawman. That's the point I was making. I have edited for clarity.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Off-Topic Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
Page 1 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International