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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: More professionalism is needed |
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Think for a moment about the teachers that encouraged you and inspired you when you were in school. What were they like? What kind of lives did they lead?
Now, look around you. Think about some of the ex-pat ESL teachers that you have met here. Where did you meet them? What were they up to?
Were they in the bars getting piss drunk? Were they in church? Were they helping people? Were they working at the animal shelter?
Also, how were you treated? Did they look down their nose at you because you were from a different country, state, or religion?
You can draw your own conclusions...and as for me, I'm trying not to believe that everyone here is not as shallow and debauched as most of the people that I've met. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: More professionalism is needed |
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| Illysook wrote: |
| Were they in the bars getting piss drunk? Were they in church? |
I hope not. These are horrible things to do.
I wish my employer were more professional. I LOVE teaching my students, but can't get a performance raise. I have to go back to Canada and find another teaching career. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:12 am Post subject: |
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As I think back about the teachers that encouraged and inspired me, I can only assume that they had their own lives to lead and didn't need me prying into their personal business. I have NO IDEA what they did in their free time.
Seems like the OP is looking down her nose at all the other "ex-pat ESL teachers". |
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Perceptioncheck
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:16 am Post subject: Re: More professionalism is needed |
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| Illysook wrote: |
| I'm trying not to believe that everyone here is not as shallow and debauched as most of the people that I've met. |
I am.
And, as my co-teacher would say, That's Too Bad.  |
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| ChinaBoy wrote: |
As I think back about the teachers that encouraged and inspired me, I can only assume that they had their own lives to lead and didn't need me prying into their personal business. I have NO IDEA what they did in their free time.
Seems like the OP is looking down her nose at all the other "ex-pat ESL teachers". |
Absolutely. My best best teachers were all my profs in grad school. Their personal lives were utterly irrelevant, I could care less if they went to church (in fact, I was in a French Ph.D program, so chances were they weren't the most church going types).
What characterized my favorite teachers was a profound intellectual curiousity, a willingness to honestly engage in exchanges without bias or predisposition, and creativity in their course preparation.
Whether or not they helped puppies on weekends wasn't so much an issue. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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My best friend at high schools father was one of my teachers. He was a filthy oaf of a man who loved to tell off color stories and often turned up to school hung over. He once assaulted me in a pub, just before graduation, for a reason I forget now.
He was also a genius and one of the best teachers I have ever had. He was also relatively wealthy in that scruffy, you would never know kind of way.
So frankly who cares what a teacher does outside of his work place? |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| One of my HS art teachers was cool. Sporty, highly intelligent, well dressed - the whole nine yards. Could talk about anything and everything. Then he got married and pu$$ywhipped by his dominant Filipino wife. He has two kids and a beaten down Subaru now. We arent as close now because he has a wife and kids but I`ll still remember him for the man he was during high school. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:21 am Post subject: Re: More professionalism is needed |
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| Perceptioncheck wrote: |
| Illysook wrote: |
| I'm trying not to believe that everyone here is not as shallow and debauched as most of the people that I've met. |
I am.
And, as my co-teacher would say, That's Too Bad. |
It's A Pity! |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| aka Dave wrote: |
What characterized my favorite teachers was a profound intellectual curiousity, a willingness to honestly engage in exchanges without bias or predisposition, and creativity in their course preparation.
Whether or not they helped puppies on weekends wasn't so much an issue. |
All things which go hand-in-hand with the key characteristic of my absolute favorite teacher in high school, who was a woman who was not afraid to go against the established grain of things. She didn't take shit off anyone -- not her students, nor her superiors -- when it came to what/how she would be teaching.
She certainly didn't toe the line when it came to her teaching methods or material -- I can't imagine she did as much in her personal life, either. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:29 am Post subject: Re: More professionalism is needed |
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| Illysook wrote: |
| Think for a moment about the teachers that encouraged you and inspired you when you were in school. What were they like? What kind of lives did they lead? |
My grade 5 teacher was of Japanese heritage and encouraged us all to "know the world" as a beautiful, interesting, inviting place.
My grade 10 English teacher was visiting for the year from Australia and said we had to urinate on the past to live the future: our homework was often to dump on so-called 'great literature', pointing out what we didn't like about it.
My grade 12 Probability & Statistics extra math course teacher was a semi-famous water skier who said algebra and most math was useless for most students and that we should learn what we can use and forget the rest.
The teachers that encouraged and inspired me lived outside the box and were free of social pressures to do what they want and thrived accordingly.
So I have no qualms about making every Friday class I've ever taught a 'Game day' and preface the fun with getting students to re-iterate my rationale: the weekend should be about fun and where their teacher - I - am from, friday nights are the start of the weekend and friday afternoons are a write-off in school, a time for sports and fun activities, not grammar lessons and tests.
Six years of fun and games on Fridays in my classroom; yes, they are often culled from lesson material but they are all about winning and thriving having fun with English. Thinking outside the box.
My orthodox sit-in-your-chair, put-your-hand-up-when-you-have-a-question Grade one teacher/viceprincipal can go to hell!  All she taught me was how NOT to be and what not to like about administration and order. |
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Oreovictim
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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My coworker is one of the most unprofessional teachers I have ever met. I can't stand the guy. When we went out for the Christmas office party, he looked at the director and made fun of her poor fashion sense to her face. "Ha! You're dressed like a jockey. Did you just get off a horse?"
Oh it gets worse. That night, we were discussing doing the whole secret Santa thing at work. He said in front of everyone, "The women should just all buy each other strap-ons!" This idiot wasn't even drunk, by the way.
You'd think a 28-year old adult would know better. |
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crosbystillsstash
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:58 am Post subject: |
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My coworker is one of the most unprofessional teachers I have ever met. I can't stand the guy. When we went out for the Christmas office party, he looked at the director and made fun of her poor fashion sense to her face. "Ha! You're dressed like a jockey. Did you just get off a horse?"
Oh it gets worse. That night, we were discussing doing the whole secret Santa thing at work. He said in front of everyone, "The women should just all buy each other strap-ons!" This idiot wasn't even drunk, by the way.
You'd think a 28-year old adult would know better. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| crosbystillsstash wrote: |
| Oreovictim wrote: |
My coworker is one of the most unprofessional teachers I have ever met. I can't stand the guy. When we went out for the Christmas office party, he looked at the director and made fun of her poor fashion sense to her face. "Ha! You're dressed like a jockey. Did you just get off a horse?"
Oh it gets worse. That night, we were discussing doing the whole secret Santa thing at work. He said in front of everyone, "The women should just all buy each other strap-ons!" This idiot wasn't even drunk, by the way.
You'd think a 28-year old adult would know better. |
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That guy sounds funny. The only one who understood him was Oreovictim. |
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Oreovictim
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| crosbystillsstash wrote: |
| Oreovictim wrote: |
My coworker is one of the most unprofessional teachers I have ever met. I can't stand the guy. When we went out for the Christmas office party, he looked at the director and made fun of her poor fashion sense to her face. "Ha! You're dressed like a jockey. Did you just get off a horse?"
Oh it gets worse. That night, we were discussing doing the whole secret Santa thing at work. He said in front of everyone, "The women should just all buy each other strap-ons!" This idiot wasn't even drunk, by the way.
You'd think a 28-year old adult would know better. |
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That guy sounds funny. The only one who understood him was Oreovictim. |
Well, if I want to be positive, I can at least be glad that he's not an American. "Oh that weird foreigner is being loud in public/drunk and hostile/acting like a brat during the Willy Wonka factory tour/etc? Wait, let me listen to the accent. Whew! Not American." |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: Re: More professionalism is needed |
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| marlow wrote: |
| Illysook wrote: |
| Were they in the bars getting piss drunk? Were they in church? |
I hope not. These are horrible things to do.
I wish my employer were more professional. I LOVE teaching my students, but can't get a performance raise. I have to go back to Canada and find another teaching career. |
I am not exactly a live free or die apologist; let me know hoe what works out for you |
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