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Thewhiteyalbum



Joined: 13 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NZer's and Canadian's say 'eh'. Australians tend to say 'but'. (it was good, but.) Americans say 'huh'. It's just a way getting someone to agree with you in a nice way. Every culture uses a form of this, so what's the big deal?
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, you're are so highly intelligent to have written this. I think you answered your formulated argument at the end of your post. Excellent writing.

Subconscious insecurity. It's just the conservative modest element of Canadian and North USA culture ingrained in people's minds on how to think and act. Culture is so complex as it programs people how to behave on a subconscious level. No one in the world plans, designs, and thinks about this for a people to subconsciously behave the way they do, it just comes that way out of how the people are molded by their environment, genetics, family, socio economic status, race, government, laws, geographic location, food, and the list goes on and on for the input variables into the indescribable equation that makes people what they are.

There are always exceptions where individuals naturally don't conform or emulate the culture so they are usually loner outcasts excluded from popular social circles, informally. This is where the old saying, "You can't generalize and stereotype them," comes from. Since I don't act like that, I didn't get along or was liked by most northern people who talk like that. This insecurity thing is where so much rudeness and fights occur between individual Canadians and Americans. As we know, not all people are a certain way that you might think they are or expect them to be. Yes, there are friendly confident Canadians who get along well with Americans.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:
I'm an American and have always said 'eh'

I've never liked the fact that Canadians claim it as a unique feature thats stops at the border line. It's actually a 'Great Lakes' thing.

Fortunately I left the Great Lakes region of the States years ago, and my usage of 'eh' has dropped off considerably since then.


That's my guess. Maybe Torontonians say it more than Albertans.


From that Wikipedia link.

The 2004 edition of the Canadian Oxford Dictionary states that "eh" is used most frequently by residents of Manitoba, Ontario, and New Brunswick, somewhat less frequently in Quebec, Saskatchewan, British Columbia, Prince Edward Island, and the three territories, and rarely if ever in Nova Scotia, Alberta and Newfoundland and Labrador.


Looks like I'm a pretty good guesser then.
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roknroll



Joined: 29 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tater wrote:
Interesting, at least you guys who are willing to discuss this.

I have noticed some South Africans saying "Eh?" but they seem to use it with a different inflection. It's more like "You're listening, right?"

I've just seen quite a few Canadians fold when you don't validate their opinion, and it seems odd to me.


"fold"--hmm, perhaps it has something to do with the manner in which you state it:

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To me, those two letters and the question mark show a distinct and inherent sense of insecurity......

Why add that syllable? To me, it shows that Canadians need someone else to agree with their opinion before they will rightly hold it as their own. It's as if it is instilled in their DNA to demand some sort of external validity for their own opinions.

Why is that? Why do Canadians need to make sure the person they are with feels the same as they do before they will make a simple statement without turning it into a question? Why can't Canadians be confident in their own opinions without needing others to feel the same way? �Eh?� is a vocalization of some internal subconscious insecurity that has spread throughout the entirety of the Great White North. Why is that?



This is obviously stated in a trolling fashion. If that wasn't the intent then clearly it stems from arrogance and ignorance. Whether one says something along the lines of:

"That was a great movie, eh? or huh?" The meaning is intuitively obvious in this context. Usually people would say something like 'don't you think?' and the like to facilitate conversation.
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Gaber



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've thought about it a bit, and we (New Zealanders) definitely use 'ay', which sounds practically identical to the Canadian 'eh', a lot. It's frequently associated with Maori of Pacific Islanders speech, but it's used right across younger society. Not quite as commonly as Canadians use 'eh', but it's there and has very similar connotations.
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Tater



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
Please don't marry your fiancee. She can do better.


My fiance read this and she still wants to marry me. That doesn't mean you are wrong, though. Wink
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tater wrote:
ajgeddes wrote:
Please don't marry your fiancee. She can do better.


My fiance read this and she still wants to marry me. That doesn't mean you are wrong, though. Wink


Bah, keep fighting the good fight, but remember that many Canadians aren't guilty of it, many Americans are, and people from many other countries have different variations of it.
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blurgalurgalurga



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bob and Doug McKenzie accent is pretty silly, but I prefer that to the fake American one I often hear from young Canadians; the "yo, I got no love f'that sh*t, f'real, yo...word, homes" one.
I have a totally stupid accent myself, I'll admit, but accents are like poop; your own isn't anywhere near as offensive as somebody else's.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:
I'm an American and have always said 'eh'

I've never liked the fact that Canadians claim it as a unique feature thats stops at the border line. It's actually a 'Great Lakes' thing.

Fortunately I left the Great Lakes region of the States years ago, and my usage of 'eh' has dropped off considerably since then.


That's my guess. Maybe Torontonians say it more than Albertans.


From that Wikipedia link.

The 2004 edition of the Canadian Oxford Dictionary states that "eh" is used most frequently by residents of Manitoba, Ontario, and New Brunswick, somewhat less frequently in Quebec, Saskatchewan, British Columbia, Prince Edward Island, and the three territories, and rarely if ever in Nova Scotia, Alberta and Newfoundland and Labrador.


In the U.S., it is rampant in upper Midwest. All over Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and North Dakota. Of course almost no one recognizes it nationally or internationally (few Canadians even seem aware of that), but the movie 'Fargo' became legendary for calling it the 'Minnesota accent', which brought one iota of recognition to it anyways.

Being that Michigan alone has 10 million in population, then the other few states west from it, you might be speaking of close to 30 million Americans who use 'eh' as a constant companion in their speech.

I always found it interesting there is a Canadian claim on that word, despite only about half of the Canadians do it (generally Great Lakes region and proximity)...someone might actually do a study someday and find that perhaps more Americans use 'eh' than Canadians on a population numbers scale.

Of course, %-wise based on total population numbers, it makes sense Canada claims it, but it certainly isn't a Canadian phenemenom or a 'only in Canada' thing.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it wasn't common in Newfoundland and I cannot think of anyone who used it regularly there, but after a long time in Asia I use it sometimes now, mainly just when talking to white people. Grandpa Simpson says it a lot too. It's just called fitting in and conforming. Sometimes it can sound like a good quick way to ask something.
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joshuahirtle27



Joined: 23 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
Please don't marry your fiancee. She can do better.
Eh?
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tomwaits



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
Location: PC Bong

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BRIT

Oi--bollocks pizza, innit?

TEEN CANADIAN

You bess not dissin' ma pizza, a'ight.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomwaits wrote:
BRIT

Oi--bollocks pizza, innit?

TEEN CANADIAN

You bess not dissin' ma pizza, a'ight.


You'll have a big laugh when you meet your first Canadian and they don't talk like J-Roc.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
tomwaits wrote:
BRIT

Oi--bollocks pizza, innit?

TEEN CANADIAN

You bess not dissin' ma pizza, a'ight.


You'll have a big laugh when you meet your first Canadian and they don't talk like J-Roc.


I don't think I've ever heard a Canadian speak that way. Not in Korea, anyway.
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WoBW



Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: HBC

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always think 'eh?' is simply an abbreviated tag question, such as when you want to elicit the other person's opinion. Doesn't mean you care if they agree or not.

Us Brits will often say things like:

"Tell you what mate, it's bastard freezing today, isn't it? (innit?)"

or,

"That was a shite movie, wasn't it?"

To me, 'eh?' is the same as a question tag - just a 'one size fits all' lazy version. No insecurity there, just eliciting a response.
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