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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: Study confirms Koreans' prejudice against foreigners |
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http://koreabeat.com/?p=3424
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/01/08/korean-students-more-prejudiced-than-foreign-students/
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Professor Bang surveyed 121 Korean and 53 foreign college students in Korea about their ciews on race. Though the sample size was small it was sufficient to support robust conclusions comparing the two groups.
According to the dissertation, published on the 6th, Korean students� unspoken or implied attitudes towards whites, blacks, and Southeast Asians were measured and found to be -0.25 for whites, -0.51 for blacks, and -0.55 for Southeast Asians.
To measure those unspoken attitudes the students were presented pictures of people of various races along with words such as �happiness�, �peace�, �annoyance�, and �hate�, and the results measured by which ones were chosen. A score of 0 would indicate little or no prejudice, and anything lower would indicate prejudicial attitudes.
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Professor Bang believes that people in our country are strongly attached to the ideas of racial homogeneity (단일민족) and the ideology of pure bloodedness (순혈주의) and thus take a cliquish attitude to other races. While they have an inferiority complex (열등의식) to whites, they have a superiority complex (우월의식) to blacks and Southeast Asians, he says. |
On a positive note, I am encouraged not only by these questions being asked but a serious study being done. |
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waynehead
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Location: Jongno
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Yup, this sounds right (as in correct). |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Some interesting comments on those links. Wonder how many of the Korean students have lived in a foreign country, which might alter their views a bit. Seems to me most people who have lived abroad have somewhat different views than those who have not. If you haven't lived somewhere what do you really know about the country and its people? A bit? How many of them have foreign friends? There are a hell of a lot of people in the world who have never had foreign friends or been outside their countries, yet have all sorts of views. Often ignorance and strong opinion intersect. |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Study confirms Koreans' prejudice against foreigners |
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Professor Bang believes that people in our country are strongly attached to the ideas of racial homogeneity (단일민족) and the ideology of pure bloodedness (순혈주의) and thus take a cliquish attitude to other races. |
i wish the article would stop trying to soften the blow; it's racism, pure and simple. and maybe the researcher should next start looking into the underlying cause of this, which is not because koreans have been attacked by foreigners for centuries or they are "scared" of foreigners, but because of the crazy nationalistic attitude that is continually taught to children in this country and perpetuated by the media |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Study confirms Koreans' prejudice against foreigners |
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Professor Bang believes that people in our country are strongly attached to the ideas of racial homogeneity (단일민족) and the ideology of pure bloodedness (순혈주의) and thus take a cliquish attitude to other races. |
i wish the article would stop trying to soften the blow; it's racism, pure and simple. and maybe the researcher should next start looking into the underlying cause of this, which is not because koreans have been attacked by foreigners for centuries or they are "scared" of foreigners, but because of the crazy nationalistic attitude that is continually taught to children in this country and perpetuated by the media |
Well, I have several problems with the way that this survey was done. First, why were there only four responses for what participants could pick instead of a continuum? Asking if people are "Happy", "neutral", or "Angry" will essentially only get you those responses when it might be more of a mix of emotions.
Also, are they *sure* it was based purely on race? What about attractiveness, or threat? Would koreans feel differently about a handsome black male as opposed to a beautiful black woman? |
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aphase
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| jajdude wrote: |
| Some interesting comments on those links. Wonder how many of the Korean students have lived in a foreign country, which might alter their views a bit. Seems to me most people who have lived abroad have somewhat different views than those who have not. If you haven't lived somewhere what do you really know about the country and its people? A bit? How many of them have foreign friends? There are a hell of a lot of people in the world who have never had foreign friends or been outside their countries, yet have all sorts of views. Often ignorance and strong opinion intersect. |
I dunno, I went to the University of Washington which had a lot of students from Korea studying there. from my observations, even when they go to america they remain very cliquish, and don't really socialize with americans/other students of different nationalities. I'm half-korean which is why I was paying attention to this. But yeah, pretty tough group to befriend. Didn't seem like they were any more open from the experience of living in the US. |
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victorology
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| aphase wrote: |
| jajdude wrote: |
| Some interesting comments on those links. Wonder how many of the Korean students have lived in a foreign country, which might alter their views a bit. Seems to me most people who have lived abroad have somewhat different views than those who have not. If you haven't lived somewhere what do you really know about the country and its people? A bit? How many of them have foreign friends? There are a hell of a lot of people in the world who have never had foreign friends or been outside their countries, yet have all sorts of views. Often ignorance and strong opinion intersect. |
I dunno, I went to the University of Washington which had a lot of students from Korea studying there. from my observations, even when they go to america they remain very cliquish, and don't really socialize with americans/other students of different nationalities. I'm half-korean which is why I was paying attention to this. But yeah, pretty tough group to get to befriend. Didn't seem like they were any more open from the experience of living in the US. |
I went to the University of Illinois and there are a lot of students from Korea there, too. I agree that they mostly socialized against themselves but I didn't think it was because of some sort of prejudice. Most likely because they are more comfortable with each other. I'm half Korean myself. Despite socializing amongst themselves, I suspect Koreans who studied abroad will be more open minded towards foreigners than those who don't have that experience.
Actually, I found most racial groups in Illinois tended to socialize amongst themselves. It was pretty surprising because I was born and raised in Hawaii where there isn't really a racial majority. |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| aphase wrote: |
| jajdude wrote: |
| Some interesting comments on those links. Wonder how many of the Korean students have lived in a foreign country, which might alter their views a bit. Seems to me most people who have lived abroad have somewhat different views than those who have not. If you haven't lived somewhere what do you really know about the country and its people? A bit? How many of them have foreign friends? There are a hell of a lot of people in the world who have never had foreign friends or been outside their countries, yet have all sorts of views. Often ignorance and strong opinion intersect. |
I dunno, I went to the University of Washington which had a lot of students from Korea studying there. from my observations, even when they go to america they remain very cliquish, and don't really socialize with americans/other students of different nationalities. I'm half-korean which is why I was paying attention to this. But yeah, pretty tough group to befriend. Didn't seem like they were any more open from the experience of living in the US. |
Oh, no doubt. It's just that scientifically I'd have liked to have seen a better breakdown than "Like", "Meh", "Argghhh". |
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aphase
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| victorology wrote: |
I went to the University of Illinois and there are a lot of students from Korea there, too. I agree that they mostly socialized against themselves but I didn't think it was because of some sort of prejudice. Most likely because they are more comfortable with each other. I'm half Korean myself. Despite socializing amongst themselves, I suspect Koreans who studied abroad will be more open minded towards foreigners than those who don't have that experience.
Actually, I found most racial groups in Illinois tended to socialize amongst themselves. It was pretty surprising because I was born and raised in Hawaii where there isn't really a racial majority. |
True, it could be that they are simply more comfortable, you can see the same phenomenon with foreigners in korea also. Many people usually hang out with non-korean's while living here.
One other interesting thing to note though, is that at my university it seemed that it was pretty easy to get to know and be friends with students from China/Taiwan/Japan compared to koreans. I had Korean friends there but not many (which weren't gyopo). |
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Ultimo Hombre
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: BEER STORE
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Why bother with them? Let them keep to themselves. I guess they will never miss what they never had. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Study confirms Koreans' prejudice against foreigners |
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Also, are they *sure* it was based purely on race? What about attractiveness, or threat? Would koreans feel differently about a handsome black male as opposed to a beautiful black woman? |
Yes, they would probably feel different about the person based on attractiveness. That is only natural, and another reason this sounds like a flawed study.
If anything, they probably toned down the negativity they really feel, since they probably knew they were being tested on it, and didn't want to appear worse than they really were. Just a guess though.
Still, we didn't need a study to tell us the obvious. They come from a very homogenous society; of course they will have reservations about people who aren't like them, and they also don't come from a culture where they are expected to accept others who are different. It's their loss though.
I'm surprised there was a study done in the first place. Usually, it's more like a sort of "yes we are racist, but we don't want you to know that, so that you don't judge Korea negatively" kind of attitude, as though it only really matters to them when it affects Korea's image.
The whole idea of "pure blood" needs to go. It's silly and outdated. |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| victorology wrote: |
| aphase wrote: |
| jajdude wrote: |
| Some interesting comments on those links. Wonder how many of the Korean students have lived in a foreign country, which might alter their views a bit. Seems to me most people who have lived abroad have somewhat different views than those who have not. If you haven't lived somewhere what do you really know about the country and its people? A bit? How many of them have foreign friends? There are a hell of a lot of people in the world who have never had foreign friends or been outside their countries, yet have all sorts of views. Often ignorance and strong opinion intersect. |
I dunno, I went to the University of Washington which had a lot of students from Korea studying there. from my observations, even when they go to america they remain very cliquish, and don't really socialize with americans/other students of different nationalities. I'm half-korean which is why I was paying attention to this. But yeah, pretty tough group to get to befriend. Didn't seem like they were any more open from the experience of living in the US. |
I went to the University of Illinois and there are a lot of students from Korea there, too. I agree that they mostly socialized against themselves but I didn't think it was because of some sort of prejudice. Most likely because they are more comfortable with each other. I'm half Korean myself. Despite socializing amongst themselves, I suspect Koreans who studied abroad will be more open minded towards foreigners than those who don't have that experience.
Actually, I found most racial groups in Illinois tended to socialize amongst themselves. It was pretty surprising because I was born and raised in Hawaii where there isn't really a racial majority. |
Hey man, I went to U of I too!
Yeah, it was a reaaaaaallllllllyyyy segregated school. Honestly, looking back, I think my time at U of I was the most segregated in my life. Then again, it was really a reflection of the Chicago area since that was where most of the students were from.
Did you ever notice how FAR and PAR were basically the minority dorms? I hated that shit. |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| victorology wrote: |
| I went to the University of Illinois and there are a lot of students from Korea there, too. I agree that they mostly socialized against themselves but I didn't think it was because of some sort of prejudice. Most likely because they are more comfortable with each other. I'm half Korean myself. Despite socializing amongst themselves, I suspect Koreans who studied abroad will be more open minded towards foreigners than those who don't have that experience. |
my hometown and my university have a huge number of koreans attending, and it seemed like only those who were born or raised predominately abroad socialized much outside of the korean group.
in fact, my co-teacher's daughter is there right now, and she actually had the nerve to say that her english is getting worse because she doesn't have a chance to practice it (wtf). her mother (who lived in canada for 3 years) isn't much better. whenever she's "in the korean group" at school, she reverts back to stupid stereotypes about foreigners and acts just as shocked as the other korean teachers.
but, every now and then, i'll actually meet a korean who's had the chance to study overseas and has come back more open-minded. i recently taught a korean teacher workshop and met a lady who studied in canada for 6 months and actually told me that because people were so friendly to her that she wanted to help foreigners living abroad in korea. |
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victorology
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hey man, I went to U of I too!
Yeah, it was a reaaaaaallllllllyyyy segregated school. Honestly, looking back, I think my time at U of I was the most segregated in my life. Then again, it was really a reflection of the Chicago area since that was where most of the students were from.
Did you ever notice how FAR and PAR were basically the minority dorms? I hated that shit. |
Yeah, I did notice that. I lived in the six pack my freshman year but off campus the rest of the time. When did you graduate? 2003 here. |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| aphase wrote: |
True, it could be that they are simply more comfortable, you can see the same phenomenon with foreigners in korea also. Many people usually hang out with non-korean's while living here. |
but there is one important difference. i'm assuming your university taught courses in english, right? so everyone has a good to excellent grasp of english, therefore allowing more socializing with foreigners. i think a lot more foreigners would hang out with koreans in korea if we could speak and understand korean better (yes, people are learning, but learning takes a time and not many people hang around for too long) |
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