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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I've been back in the US for about nine months now, and I had a plan to get into real estate appraisal in Southern California. I've blown over $20,000 in savings to resettle in the US (the costs involved in maintaining a car is just so freakin' ridiculous in the US), and the bad thing is, I think that appraisal may not be the way to go for me even though my co-workers are raking in good money in a relatively stable job.
The one good thing that came out of my move to Cali is that I'll be an in-state resident soon and can qualify for in-state tuition at the multitude of schools around here, esp. the really cheap Cal State system. I came back to the US knowing full well the implications of readjusting to life in the West, but at times, it's actually harder than you can ever hope to prepare for. What kept me going was that I knew I could go back to Korea or Asia if I had the right credentials.
Another friend went back to Ohio after several years in Asia because of his ailing mother. He had a master's in English but couldn't get a job even part-time at universities because he was competing against swarms of unemployed Ph.ds. He ended up working for some auto trade magazine as a writer before entering a Ph.d program in int'l education, and he loves it.
My advice is to go to school to learn a skill in demand. I don't know what's hot in Oz, but in the US, the health care sector continues to grow and technical schools also offer lifetime job placement services here. I have to agree with Kangnam Mafioso - going back to Korea is a stop-gap measure that will actually hurt you in the long term if your plan is NOT to make Korea home.
Another point - I left Korea even though I could've stayed because I knew I needed to beef up my job skills and credentials. Even in Korea, your job prospects after age 40 start to wane considerably since new and younger recruits from the West will compete for jobs. I have nothing against living in the now and present, but nothing lasts forever no matter how cushy your position is, and you gotta plan for it. |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: Teheranno
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Yaya"]The one good thing that came out of my move to Cali is that I'll be an in-state resident soon and can qualify for in-state tuition at the multitude of schools around here, esp. the really cheap Cal State system.
What kept me going was that I knew I could go back to Korea or Asia if I had the right credentials.
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what are you planning to study?
what credentials? A bachelors degree? |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="kangnam mafioso"]
| Yaya wrote: |
The one good thing that came out of my move to Cali is that I'll be an in-state resident soon and can qualify for in-state tuition at the multitude of schools around here, esp. the really cheap Cal State system.
What kept me going was that I knew I could go back to Korea or Asia if I had the right credentials.
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what are you planning to study?
what credentials? A bachelors degree? |
I'll assume your post wasn't some snide remark. I have a bachelor's already, thank you, and I was talking of an advanced degree and such. |
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Miles
Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Location: In limbo
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnam mafioso wrote: |
| .... going back to korea will just prolongue the misery of getting re-adjusted to life in the West. |
I don't know Rush's situation exactly, but if the impression I got from what he wrote is correct, prolonging the misery of re-adjustment to life in Australia is a good description of what might happen if he stays there in his present state of mind and state of readiness for the task.
Rightly or wrongly I'm assuming two things: he's depressed, and he doesn't have a concrete plan that he is committed to. Neither of these factors will help his chances. His job search is likely to take much longer without clearly defined goals, and depression is counter-productive to begin with and is likely to be reinforced and grow out of proportion with continued lack of success in finding a satisfactory job.
I would make a distinction between 'prolonging the misery' of re-adjustment, and 'postponing the challenge' of re-adjustment. Going back to Asia now could be beneficial in two important ways that would make that challenge easier to overcome.
First and foremost it would nip depression in the bud by removing all the immediate stress. Secondly it would allow a breathing space, time in which to relax and recharge, and approach the problem with renewed energy and determination.
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"it's really hard to do much on the job front when you are in korea --- postage, time difference, etc. all makes the job search more difficult than it is from back home. besides, most good jobs require a face to face interview"
Yes and no. Yes, trying to secure a job in Australia when you are in Japan or Korea is more difficult, but that's not quite what I was suggesting. I didn't suggest returning to Asia in order to continue applying for jobs back home, but rather in order to reflect and assess the future in terms of job preferences or ambitions and in relation to the existing opportunities in the job market, and, on the basis of that assessment, to research any suitable possibilities, including not only jobs but also training or further study, and then formulate a realistic plan of action to be followed on returning from Asia.
So in that respect there is a lot you can do while you are in Korea to prepare for your eventual return and I think it would be a lot less hard to do in Korea while you are in a relatively stress-free situation, earning money, and with a comfortable twelve month time frame than it would be back home, treading water or floundering, with no income, no prospects, and weighed down by feelings of discouragement and disillusion.
With appropriate preparation, both practical and mental, the postponed re-adjustment may ultimately be much shorter and less painful. |
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the wrangler

Joined: 24 Oct 2003 Location: the next flight to korea to find mankind
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I agree with Kangnam.
After teaching for 5 years, obviously you came back for a reason, perhaps to hang the gloves.
Going back to Korea would be a terrible mistake especially if you plan to move on with your life back home.
I always follow the "2 goal" rule. Always have 2 goals at the same time in mind.
You said you have family here. Well, utilize and stay with them to save on living costs.
Take some good time and find what it is that you want to do-something you know that you can do.
Get a job, any job. Wash dishes, pump gas, deliver the paper(I'm sure you can land that).
As long as your ultimate goal is in sight, just do something/anything. If you've saved some earnings from Korea, again, do something!
Hang in there, mate  |
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rush
Joined: 17 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:19 am Post subject: |
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sometimes this board restores my faith in human nature
thanks guys |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| rush wrote: |
sometimes this board restores my faith in human nature
thanks guys |
So Rush, any job yet? The thing you have to realize is that people want more things and have to earn more to get them. NO JOB is safe anymore and you have to think lifetime CAREER as opposed to job. More and more people are trying to go into business for themselves and such - the days of cusy and stable positions are over, even in gov't.
In my case, I blew a lot of money to resettle in Los Angeles and get into real estate appraisal. It's been a real struggle but I know I'll be able to get a job in K-town for a while if worse comes to worst. You can't win forever but you can't lose forever, either. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| rush wrote: |
sometimes this board restores my faith in human nature
thanks guys |
So Rush, any job yet? The thing you have to realize is that people want more things and have to earn more to get them. NO JOB is safe anymore and you have to think lifetime CAREER as opposed to job. More and more people are trying to go into business for themselves and such - the days of cusy and stable positions are over, even in gov't.
In my case, I blew a lot of money to resettle in Los Angeles and get into real estate appraisal. It's been a real struggle but I know I'll be able to get a job in K-town for a while if worse comes to worst. You can't win forever but you can't lose forever, either. |
Business for yourself seems key. Thats my plan after saving some money up in Korea. |
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taobenli
Joined: 26 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Yaya-
You said your friend was in a PhD program in international education. Where?
I'm really interested in jumping on this international education/exchange band wagon. I've had a considerable amount of experience with it already and it could be a fun career. Right now I'm in an international studies M.A. program and am thinking of going on for an Anthropology PhD. But that could change. School for International Studies in Vermont looks great but there's no way I could afford it...and I object to paying that much to do a program to get into a field where the financial rewards are not that great anyway (unlike an MBA program, for example, where the expense seems more justified).
Thanks,
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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I am thinking about getting out of the ESL field ('racket').
I've always been interested in the health care field, especially international health and/or public health. If anybody runs across any degrees or programs in that area that look interesting, would you please post a link here or pop me a PM? Thanks!
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| taobenli wrote: |
Yaya-
You said your friend was in a PhD program in international education. Where?
I'm really interested in jumping on this international education/exchange band wagon. I've had a considerable amount of experience with it already and it could be a fun career. Right now I'm in an international studies M.A. program and am thinking of going on for an Anthropology PhD. But that could change. School for International Studies in Vermont looks great but there's no way I could afford it...and I object to paying that much to do a program to get into a field where the financial rewards are not that great anyway (unlike an MBA program, for example, where the expense seems more justified).
Thanks,
taobenli |
My friend is at Kent State Univ. in Ohio. He's about to finish his Ph.d, but I have no idea what he'll do next. He's on a fellowship, assistantship or whatever, and I'd think if your grades were good enough, you could get one, too. |
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Reena
Joined: 16 Nov 2004 Location: Ilsan
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are in Vancouver right now? If so, I suggest doing something I.T. related. Some others have posted that I.T. jobs are hard to find but from my experience in the I.T. field, there are tons of jobs out there (In Canada), yes there is a lot of outsourcing but that's for call centers, tech support, etc. If you are in Vancouver, check out BCIT's Computer Systems Technology programming or the Networking programs/certificates - you will be able to find a job. |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| I guess Im lucky. I would never consider going back to Canada unless I had a great job lined up for myself. Without a plan?! Why did you go back? Was it just for the sake of going back? |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| I know what you're going through. I think a lot of people in similar situations go through the same phases, and many give up after 3-5 months and go back overseas...I couldn't because of my application for a fiance visa. I finally found a decent gig in the mid 30's, but after about a year of that, I found my niche and went after it. Take your time, think everything through, and be patient...I can remember those first few months and all the dissapointments associated with trying to get back into the game, and I know it sucks ass...keep trying..never give up man. |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:58 am Post subject: |
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me either, thats why im going to marry a rich guy, be a lazy housewife, and spend my time spending his money decorating our home, or out suntanning by the pool
Perfect Plan,...... i decide to sign one more year here, so i could map out a future life plan....and it only took a month! Now im ready for the future!!!!!!
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