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Provence



Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:29 am    Post subject: Need help changing schools Reply with quote

My husband and I are on a 1st time E-2 visa. We are 4 months into our visa and really want to change schools. Please believe me we have several reasons for wanting to leave this hagwon. We want to leave this hagwon for several reasons but mainly because they have broken contract with us on many occasions. I have posted a few time in the past about this but got negative replies, I was told I couldn�t work in Korea for a year if I leave. That is the only reason I am still at this hagwon. Is this really true? Could someone with experience please tell me how I can change schools? I find it hard to believe we are forced to stay at this hagwon if we want to continue teaching in Korea. Your responses would be greatly appreciated.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:40 am    Post subject: Some info Reply with quote

Provence wrote:
My husband and I are on a 1st time E-2 visa. We are 4 months into our visa and really want to change schools. Please believe me we have several reasons for wanting to leave this hagwon. We want to leave this hagwon for several reasons but mainly because they have broken contract with us on many occasions. I have posted a few time in the past about this but got negative replies, I was told I couldn�t work in Korea for a year if I leave. That is the only reason I am still at this hagwon. Is this really true? Could someone with experience please tell me how I can change schools? I find it hard to believe we are forced to stay at this hagwon if we want to continue teaching in Korea. Your responses would be greatly appreciated.


So you alone are interested in changing schools? Or are both of you switching?

Standing on your contract here will bring you grief sooner or later. Contracts in Korea are like *beep* on boars. They're only for looks, really.

If you leave now, your present visa will have to be cancelled or naturally expire before you'll be allowed to get another. At the longest, you're looking at 8 months. But you probably won't have to wait that long. I'd guess your boss will cancel it today if you reimburse him for a plane ticket, assuming he provided one. I bet immy will cancel it if your boss doesn't block you.

What happens after the visa is cancelled is unknown to me. I've never been in that situation, so I'm not sure if you'll have to fly back home to start the process over. I'd guess you won't. A trip to Japan will probably be enough to get you started down the path to your next job here.
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Provence



Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: Some info Reply with quote

Tobias wrote:
Provence wrote:
My husband and I are on a 1st time E-2 visa. We are 4 months into our visa and really want to change schools. Please believe me we have several reasons for wanting to leave this hagwon. We want to leave this hagwon for several reasons but mainly because they have broken contract with us on many occasions. I have posted a few time in the past about this but got negative replies, I was told I couldn�t work in Korea for a year if I leave. That is the only reason I am still at this hagwon. Is this really true? Could someone with experience please tell me how I can change schools? I find it hard to believe we are forced to stay at this hagwon if we want to continue teaching in Korea. Your responses would be greatly appreciated.


So you alone are interested in changing schools? Or are both of you switching?

Standing on your contract here will bring you grief sooner or later. Contracts in Korea are like *beep* on boars. They're only for looks, really.

If you leave now, your present visa will have to be cancelled or naturally expire before you'll be allowed to get another. At the longest, you're looking at 8 months. But you probably won't have to wait that long. I'd guess your boss will cancel it today if you reimburse him for a plane ticket, assuming he provided one. I bet immy will cancel it if your boss doesn't block you.

What happens after the visa is cancelled is unknown to me. I've never been in that situation, so I'm not sure if you'll have to fly back home to start the process over. I'd guess you won't. A trip to Japan will probably be enough to get you started down the path to your next job here.


Thank you for replying. My husband and I both want to leave. They are really taking advantage of us and have been since day one. We are in an area with only a handful of foreign teachers and have been unable to find help outside of daves esl. I doubt they will cancel if we pull a runner because the people we replaced pulled a runner and we just recently got a letter in the mail stating their E-2 is about to expire. So I assume our only option is to try and cancel it ourselves. I am almost certain they would refuse us a LoR. We really would like to stay in Korea, we have heard of so many great experiences people have had while teaching here. I think we just were inexperienced and naive when first arriving. Anymore advice would be great. Thank you.
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TheChickenLover



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: The Chicken Coop

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are only 'a handful' in a remote area, then I would suggest doing something that is usually taboo in this culture.

Speak with your boss alone with your husband, and clearly state calmly but firmly that you are not satisfied with the school and are going to leave (do this right after payday). Tell him clearly that you feel cheated and not respected and you are increadibly dissapointed and insulted by the behaviour of the boss.

Prepare to leave. Your boss will most likely want to convince you to stay.

If you are willing to stay, then suggest that since you are not able to trust him due to his past actions, you MUST be paid each week (in advance) and will forfeit your airfare home (you won't get it anyways cause he'll fire you when he can replace you). At this point you start your new job search.

When you have found a new position, you can simply leave the country with no regrets. At worst, you'll be out 1 weeks pay. At best, you'll keep getting paid.

You won't get pension nor medical (he may be skimming) so use your time to your advantage & find a replacement position. Use a recruiter & DO NOT use your current employer as a reference or list them in your work history. They are a blip that cannot be counted. Also, most institutions do not look at non-accredited schools as legitimate work experience.

Do this RIGHT after you get paid. Do it together & be ready to leave if push comes to shove. You will be able to return, but your boss needs you more than you need him. Use yourselves to your full advantage, but be fair with your requests in a way that is not unreasonable to be met.

Chicken
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Incredibly not increadibly, I hope nobody can hear my thoughts, it's rediculous, ridiculous). Laughing
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dmbfan



Joined: 09 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP.......four months in is not enough to keep you there. So, leaving is not a bad thing.

You can go to immigration and ask for an exit order, stating that you would like your visa cancelled. When you leave, make sure that you do NOT keep your ARC. Turn it in to immigration either at the office or at the airport.

When you meet with your boss, don't be timid. Don't let him/her push you around. Record the conversation with an mp3 player or hand phone. Make sure that anything he says he will do is in writing. Please note.....that if you let him know ahead of time that you will/may leave, there is a good chance that he will make "deductions" from your pay. Be finacnially prepared for that.

Also, if you and your husband would like to work for a public school it is possible to have your visas transfered from the hogwan to the public school. Explaine the situation and you could get things going.

But don't allow yourself and your husband to be treated like shit by a pile of shit. Look him'her in the eye and make sure that he/she knows that you are not to be messed with. You are willing to stick it out but things needs to change. If not, then they can phuck off.

dmbfan
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Transfers can only be done when you have worked 9 or more months.
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dmbfan



Joined: 09 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or really?

....not so sure about that.
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drunkenfud



Joined: 08 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmbfan wrote:
Or really?

....not so sure about that.


I've just been through the process. Apparently 9 months is a requirement. However, according to a recruiter I spoke to, more leeway is given if you're transferring to a public school.

The biggest problem with this though is that the old school must sign a document agreeing to a transfer. From what you've said, I don't think they're likely to do that. Therefore I suggest your best bet is to find a new job, quit the old job, get an exit order from immigration, then do a visa run to Japan.
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Provence



Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for your input. Does anyone know if we can interview at the consulate in Japan or would we have to fly back home to do the interview for a new E-2? Also should we explain our situation to the recruiter and consulate or not say anything about this experience?

If anyone knows of a good recruiter that would understand our situation and could help us in the process of getting a new job and E-2 could you please post their e-mail or pm it to me? Thanks so much.

Provence
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Provence



Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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