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mindmetoo
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 Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: Right-minded Canadians don't want polygamy? |
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Canadian sect leaders face polygamy charges
Winston Blackmore (R), a leader in a British Columbia polygamist community, Reuters � Winston Blackmore (R), a leader in a British Columbia polygamist community, takes notes as Utah Attorney �
VANCOUVER, British Columbia (Reuters) � Canadian authorities filed polygamy charges on Wednesday against two leaders of a religious group that has openly practiced plural marriages in the province of British Columbia for years and has links to U.S. polygamist communities.
Prosecutors believe it is the first time that polygamy charges have been filed in Canada, but the case hinges on an anti-polygamy law that some legal experts have warned may violate rights to religious freedom.
British Columbia Attorney General Wally Oppal, a former judge, said he believes the law is constitutional because it because it protects women from sexual exploitation.
"I don't believe right-minded Canadians want (polygamy) to exist," Oppal said. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090107/wl_nm/us_polygamy_2
I do "want" polygamy. I don't want vulnerable women to be preyed upon, however. I don't want religious kooks marrying 12 year old girls and forcing 15 year old boys out of religious compounds because they compete for child brides. But I do want adults to decide for their own what kind of living arrangements they want. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| I do "want" polygamy. I don't want vulnerable women to be preyed upon, however. |
I find this oddly sexist. What about vulnerable men? Polyandry seems unfair to me. One woman having a bevy of boy toys may be gratifying to the woman, but puts her in an unfairly powerful position. It's usually the younger brothers who suffer. They work in the fields (or wherever) all day to support her but get short-changed in the sexual favors department. As a younger brother, I do not support polyandry. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| As a right-minded Canadian, I'm fine with 'plural marriage' - as long as it's between consenting adults. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Jon Kraukaur's book 'Under the Banner of Heaven' is REAL good if anyone is interested in reading more about fundamentalist polygamous plural-minded marriages. I believe they even talk about this town in Canada.
Originally those guys are from Utah, of course. But back when the Salt Lake City church was trying to be acceptable enough not to have its existance threatened, I believe the main brances first decided it better speak out against it. However, it still seem to be commonplace on the fringes of Mormon territores, I believe Southern Utah right down to the Grand Canyon of Arizona is where it flourishes the most. State Trooper from Arizona don't generally go all the way around the Grand Canyon for jurisdiction, so they have a sancuary there.
From my understanding, weary of government in general, this strongly polygamous sect of the mormom church branched out to both Mexico and Canada to make sure they had somewhere to go if they ever were persecuted in the U.S.
This Canada case is an interesting one, as if they are protected, I think you might ee an increase of the more fundamentalist polygamous mormons from Utah moving there, if they did feel some treat of any kind in the future. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| I do "want" polygamy. I don't want vulnerable women to be preyed upon, however. |
I find this oddly sexist. What about vulnerable men? Polyandry seems unfair to me. One woman having a bevy of boy toys may be gratifying to the woman, but puts her in an unfairly powerful position. It's usually the younger brothers who suffer. They work in the fields (or wherever) all day to support her but get short-changed in the sexual favors department. As a younger brother, I do not support polyandry. |
You must have ignored the part where I also worried about young males being drummed out of religious communities because of polygamy.
Your charge is an obvious straw man.
There are very few tightly nit religious communities that practice polyandry and produce vulnerable adult males. If you aware of polyandry having the same real world problems as polygamy in North America, I'd like you to table it.
Your gripe is akin to me wondering why Inuit are not aided with greater protection against bear attack and you then proclaim I'm being biased because I've not also been 100% inclusive in talking about tiger attack. |
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Insidejohnmalkovich
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Polygamy has been or used to be part of every culture through history. And I would dare say it is only withint the past 50 years that the age of marriage became so late. Puberty was considered the age of marriage throughout history in most cultures: it still is in any culture uninfluenced by the West.
On the other hand, to live in a society peacably requires countless artificial rules, and so it has become good and necessary to outlaw polygamy and marriage under a certain age. |
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greedy_bones
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I do "want" polygamy. I don't want vulnerable women to be preyed upon, however. |
I find this oddly sexist. What about vulnerable men? Polyandry seems unfair to me. One woman having a bevy of boy toys may be gratifying to the woman, but puts her in an unfairly powerful position. It's usually the younger brothers who suffer. They work in the fields (or wherever) all day to support her but get short-changed in the sexual favors department. As a younger brother, I do not support polyandry. |
Polyandry is but one kind of polygamy. Polygyny means one man and multiple women, polygamy means one person and multiple spouses. |
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RJjr
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Humans aren't a monogamous species. I probably wouldn't get married anyway, but marriage and alimony laws guarantee that I sleep with everyone else's wife instead of marrying several for myself.
Additionally, monogamy laws encourage prostitution, especially in regions of the world where the male population widely outnumbers the female population. If these prostitutes could marry a few men to provide for them, maybe they wouldn't have to sleep with so many for money. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Your charge is an obvious straw man.
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See greedy_bones' post where my point is made directly. |
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Bucheonguy
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| As a right-minded Canadian, I'm fine with 'plural marriage' - as long as it's between consenting adults. |
I totally agree. I also don't want the government skirting real issues by creating one out of polygamy. If you ask me this is the last thing people are worried about. Given what's going on with the economy I'm personally not that concerned about Billy Bob and his five wives. |
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greedy_bones
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Your charge is an obvious straw man.
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See greedy_bones' post where my point is made directly. |
While there is a word for women with multiple male partners, this is rarely the case. Polygyny far outweighs polyandry, at least in humans. You can find evidence for this in basically any sociological or anthropological study. Also, notice the sexual dimorphism between males and females. Men are larger than women. Why? Because traditionally, men who are larger gain an advantage by being able to exclude other men from obtaining mates. In all other species, you'll notice that when males are larger than females, polygyny is the norm. |
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