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[tfunk]

[Bramble]

[RACETRAITOR]

In defence of animals, they're probably not stupid enough to fall for PETA propaganda themselves. I guess that does lower us below animals.

[tfunk]

Unfortunately with PETA a lot of people are shooting the message along with the messenger.

They think 'PETA was wrong therefore the issue of animal rights is invalid'.

Regardless of whether you agree with PETAs tactics or not, there is an issue that can be separated from that group and that is "under what circumstances and conditions it is acceptable to kill an animal?"

Personally, I think it is acceptable to kill an animal but they shouldn't suffer unnecessarily either in their life or through the means by which to kill them.

In theory, I'd eat the household pet dog rather than a dog that was kept in adverse conditions and tortured to death.

[tfunk]

Double post.

[Bramble]

tfunk, you make perfect sense until the fourth paragraph. You haven't answered your own question: "Under what circumstances and conditions it is acceptable to kill an animal?"

I'd say it's acceptable only when it is absolutely unavoidable ... we can't live in modern society without harming insects or getting our animal companions treated for parasites (especially if they were rescued off the streets and are unfortunate enough to suffer from parasites), but we can easily live without animal-derived food and clothing. There may be other cases when it�s necessary to kill an animal, such as self-defence, but it should be a last resort and not a way of life or "business as usual." Are you serious when you say you'd eat a family dog who trusts you and depends on you to provide her with a loving home?

[Bramble]

It's hard to believe anyone as shallow, superficial and airheaded as the OP sounds could be a real person (and not a sock or a troll) ... but maybe she's genuine. Maybe she only looked far enough into the issues to decide that fur was "evil," and never actually read any AR books or questioned the morality of other animal exploitation industries.

If so, it's sad, and it shows that we (AR people) have failed to communicate the issues clearly enough. A lot of people don't understand the difference between animal rights and animal welfare, and some people throw themselves headfirst into activism when they haven't really made the connections or stopped to consider why they're doing what they're doing. What's really sad is that some people are capable of not caring once it's no longer convenient.

I hope this turns out to be a troll thread, because it's very disturbing to think the OP might be real.

[Koveras]

I stayed in a Filipino village over the Christmas break. On new years we had a pig roast. But the pig was taking too long to cook, so the hungry villagers called over a local dog, killed it, and stuck it on the spit. I thought that was kind of funny.

[Koveras]

I knew Joseph de Maistre had something fun to say about this!

[Bramble]

[The Bobster]

[crusher_of_heads]

I'm having a USDA approved steak for dinner.


Which group, collectively is more retarded?

PETA, or the candlelight retards protesting American beer this past summer?

[RACETRAITOR]

[cisco kid]

[Rteacher]

My position is that animals should not be unnecessarily killed or abused, but PETA's petty-terrorist tactics are counterproductive.

My theory why they act so irrationally is that vegans tend to have nutritional deficiencies which make them less intelligent than omnivores (whereas lacto-vegetarians are more intelligent).

Fanatical vegans (who propagate the fallacious theory that cows milk is not intended for human consumption) also tend to be emotionally unstable.

www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/claims-cred/claims-cred-1a.shtml

In Vedic culture, milk is considered "liquid religiosity" because only cows milk nourishes the finest brain tissues needed for spiritual thinking.

Although animals shouldn't be unnecessarily killed, an animal life is not as important as a human life from a spiritual perspective that understands transmigration of the soul.

An animal automatically transmigrates to the next highest species in terms of developed consciousness - and three classes of animals transmigrate to a human form: monkeys/apes take birth as humans predominantly in the mode of ignorance; big cats (lions/tigers,etc) take birth as humans predominantly in the mode of passion, and cows take human births mainly in the mode of goodness.

Only in the human form can an individual spirit-soul perfect its life by self-realization and God consciousness. Animals are completely absorbed in bodily consciousness and can not understand that their essential nature is spiritual, but sincere humans can because of their fully developed consciousness (which just needs to be purified by chanting Holy Names of God and other devotional practices...)

Those who neglect to make any spiritual progress at all and who callously implicate themselves in wholesale animal slaughter are no better than animals and run the risk of falling back into the evolutionary cycle (for perhaps millions of years) before taking another human birth.