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Finding a Position With a Bad Reference?
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crheine



Joined: 20 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Finding a Position With a Bad Reference? Reply with quote

Thanks for reading. I spent my last year in Korea hoping things get easier the second year with some experience and of course my employer is giving me bad reference. This has been a stumbling block so far, as many recruiters fail to call back once speaking to her. I am the 4th teacher to have such happen to them and with no recourse and what looks like a scarlet letter to this point does anyone have any suggestions or advice? I am in Korea and have my documents. Should i remove my experience and start all over? Make up an alternate year of experience outside Korea? I appreciate all your help and hope i can find some reasonable solution.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make up a reference. They dont care or check anyway.
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crheine



Joined: 20 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good, however its my prior job thats getting called and they are trashing me. So aside from making up another job , which they seem to want to call if they are in Korea, Anything else?
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh you gave the information up already? You seem to have shot yourself in the foot. Your previous boss is being a spiteful SOB...sorry to hear that. I would have made up a professional reference instead of listing my previous employer who hated me.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just be honest with your potential schools and tell them you left on bad terms because you were cheated. Believe me, EVERYONE knows that hagwons in Korea cheat teachers.
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esetters21



Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xuanzang wrote:
I would have made up a professional reference instead of listing my previous employer who hated me.


Which is perfectly acceptable and fits into the scheme of things here.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

esetters21 wrote:
Xuanzang wrote:
I would have made up a professional reference instead of listing my previous employer who hated me.


Which is perfectly acceptable and fits into the scheme of things here.
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It`s Korean culture Razz
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esetters21



Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xuanzang wrote:
esetters21 wrote:
Xuanzang wrote:
I would have made up a professional reference instead of listing my previous employer who hated me.


Which is perfectly acceptable and fits into the scheme of things here.
]

It`s Korean culture Razz


It most certainly is. Laughing
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esglumac



Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: In the middle of contractual litigation!!!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Restrucure your resume

Put it at the bottom under "other relevant experience"

Use another job at the job

They will see that one first as opposed to your most recent one
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not make a phoney resume. Your resume is one of the documents you must file with Immigration to get your E2 visa. If Immigration checks your resume against their files and it doesn't match, they can decline to issue you a visa. True, they might not notice, but then again, sometimes they check. This has happened to teachers in the past according to past threads here on Dave's. They were denied visas when their resumes didn't match their Immigration work history records in Korea.
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esglumac



Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: In the middle of contractual litigation!!!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think you misunderstood me

Making a phony resume and reconstrcuting the resume in a different chronglogical order are two completly different things.

Focusing on the past postive as opposed to the present negative are two different contexts.

Not every one lists EVERY single job they have every had on thier resume.

Why focus on what you can't do as opposed to what you have done???

As far as immigration goes, Iam not sure about how they operarte, but how can they penelize someone for reversing the chronlogical order fo the resume????
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too have experienced the negative fallout from my ex-boss.

Recruiters that have been great suddenly turned their backs and refused my emails (EnglishWork, Youni Korea)

Find two (or more) Korean friends and get them to reference you.

Or if you are willing to take the pay-cut (in terms of experince) just remove the last job with the bad employer on it.

Good luck
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just get a korean to pretend to be your boss. You could also inform the recruiters that your former boss is a dick.

Get a Korean friend to also call your employer and ask for a reference. Record the conversation then sue them from defamation of character. An employer can not provide a negative reference or act in a way that prevents future employment. Think this is in the labor standards act some where.
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dmbfan



Joined: 09 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Just make up a reference. They dont care or check anyway.



Apparently you missed the underlining here.

They ARE checking.


dmbfan
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TheChickenLover



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: The Chicken Coop

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a bad reference, then simply do not list them. You don't even need to list your last job on your resume. It never happened, plain & simple.

Use friends as references or other past employers. Apply again through different recruiters.

Chicken
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