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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:02 am Post subject: Hot water froze up - inept design I'm expected to repair |
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I was told yesterday by my school accountant that it was fixed by the school handyman and for me to try my hot water when I got home from Winter camp last night, but I arrived home last night to find it still busted with frozen water in the floor of the freezing back porch area. Today, I was told it was not ever fixed, but the hot water boiler was turned up from 60C to 90C and that I'd have a huge repair bill when it is to be repaired due to the landlord refusing to do anything even though it's his responsibility being he placed it in the coldest part of the house and didn't build a closet around it like he should had. She even had to use my cell phone for a whole hour and accomplished nothing.Shocked They think that the boiler is supposed to keep water pipes from freezing even though they freeze when you don't run the hot water for a whole day or longer. This is true if you're home every day to use the hot water. To have prevented this, you'd have to run the hot water all the time, but I didn't know as it didn't freeze up when I left 4 days for Christmas. It was freezing, but not deep freezing like now.
I explained to my school accountant that because I'm not running the water due to being gone for Winter camp and then I'm leaving this week for vacation, the hot water pipe sat still and froze even though I trickled my cold taps. I told her not to repair it until I get back from vacation as it'll be busted once again when I return and she agreed. I explained I need the water cut off to the boiler, the boiler drained, and turned off. (I can't even power down this huge beast!) I explained that the boiler should be located in the apartment where it's not freezing and pipes exposed to the cold need electric heat taping. I explained that this is what Canada, America, and Europe has to do so it's high time Korea starts doing this as you can't expect it not to freeze up being outside in the cold. I explained it's not my fault nor am I paying, because it's not negligence on my part, it's Korean negligence of being so daft about common sense things like this. I explained it would also save significant amounts of energy if the boiler is inside. The Korean land lord is responsible for this and it should had been inside or at least equipped with heat taping to weather the cold. She understood and agreed on all these facts, but feels she is in a position where she can't set things right.
What would you do?
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Chilgok, Korea
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Bump, yes, the title of the thread is correct. My hot water froze up, but not cold.
I was told yesterday by my school accountant that it was fixed by the school handyman and for me to try my hot water when I got home from Winter camp last night, but I arrived home last night to find it still busted with frozen water in the floor of the freezing back porch area. Today, I was told it was not ever fixed, but the hot water boiler was turned up from 60C to 90C and that I'd have a huge repair bill when it is to be repaired due to the landlord refusing to do anything even though it's his responsibility being he placed it in the coldest part of the house and didn't build a closet around it like he should had. She even had to use my cell phone for a whole hour and accomplished nothing.Shocked They think that the boiler is supposed to keep water pipes from freezing even though they freeze when you don't run the hot water for a whole day or longer. This is true if you're home every day to use the hot water. To have prevented this, you'd have to run the hot water all the time, but I didn't know as it didn't freeze up when I left 4 days for Christmas. It was freezing, but not deep freezing like now.
I explained to my school accountant that because I'm not running the water due to being gone for Winter camp and then I'm leaving this week for vacation, the hot water pipe sat still and froze even though I trickled my cold taps. I told her not to repair it until I get back from vacation as it'll be busted once again when I return and she agreed. I explained I need the water cut off to the boiler, the boiler drained, and turned off. (I can't even power down this huge beast!) I explained that the boiler should be located in the apartment where it's not freezing and pipes exposed to the cold need electric heat taping. I explained that this is what Canada, America, and Europe has to do so it's high time Korea starts doing this as you can't expect it not to freeze up being outside in the cold. I explained it's not my fault nor am I paying, because it's not negligence on my part, it's Korean negligence of being so daft about common sense things like this. I explained it would also save significant amounts of energy if the boiler is inside. The Korean land lord is responsible for this and it should had been inside or at least equipped with heat taping to weather the cold. She understood and agreed on all these facts, but feels she is in a position where she can't set things right.
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Straphanger, what's the point of copying and pasting my post? Once is enough. Are you some kind of daft idiot? Did you even read it to understand what you're replying to?
Are you trying to mock me? I think so. This mimickery makes me majorly chew students out. Ignorant arrogant fools act like this and so do invincible feeling kids.
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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So are you straphanger or sojourner1? |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly. I only have 1 Daves identity and it's Sojourner1. He's either mocking me or trying to make it look like I have his account as a sock. A real bone head.
He's also trying to derail my thread asking for what you all would do in my situation. Would you refuse to pay for repair? Would you get angry? Would you decide you had enough of Korea and leave?
Surely some experienced guys and gals have more creative ideas on what they'd do. I know I'm not the only one dealing with this issue. Maybe those who had my issue angering them left and are not on Daves any longer? Maybe others don't do Daves altogether?
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Chilgok, Korea
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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sojourner1 wrote: |
Straphanger, what's the point of copying and pasting my post? Once is enough. Are you some kind of daft idiot? Did you even read it to understand what you're replying to?
Are you trying to mock me? I think so. This mimickery makes me majorly chew students out. Ignorant arrogant fools act like this and so do invincible feeling kids. |
What? I didn't post that to this thread, I posted it to the one you originally posted last week or whatever... that's why there's a 'bump' in there... I don't know how it got here. Sorry, man, but it's not my fault this time.
Edit: And really, before you fly off the handle, you should stop and think - maybe someone saw the split-second where you were monkeying around in the back-end? In the interest of disclosure, do you want to just go ahead and tell us now which mod you're a sock for? |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Chilgok, Korea
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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sojourner1 wrote: |
He's also trying to derail my thread asking for what you all would do in my situation. |
*I* am the one derailing the thread? You're the one screwing around, deleting posts and changing topics on active threads. I already told you what happened. If you don't want that post there, or my post above this one, or this post, why don't you relog under your mod account and delete them? |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Frozen water pipes (or worse, burst ones) are in fact the responsibility of the tenant. Most thermostats offer an "away" setting or should otherwise be set at a minimal setting to avoid damage from freezing. Thats the way it is. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Don't have a mod account. OK, how in the world did you post if you really didn't post it? Suppose computers can screw up, but this is the 1st time on this site to my knowledge. Nothing is perfect.
Schwa, I left it on the whole time. I set it on 60C last Saturday 2 days before I left and it's still reading that. I'm burning 40 kilowatt hours a day since my handler turned it up a week ago and it still froze due to my going away for a few days. This will result in an estimated 800,000 won a month bill! If 1150 kwh cost 297,000, then 2,800 kwh will cost that much more. The reason the water pipes going into and out of the boiler froze in an unheatable area is the water was not moving due to me not using it. Water sitting still in a deep freeze will freeze up within a couple hours. Where's the heat tape??? It doesn't matter what you have your boiler set on. There is no away setting other than to leave your hot and cold water taps running. I left the cold on. I need to be able to turn off the boiler water supply, drain the boiler, and turn it off when leaving for more than a day, but it's not set up that way. It's been such a on going hassle with my handler just learning how to turn it on and set the temp as it's a crazy design. She seems to know nothing until I ask her to find out the answer which I can understand as these sorts of things were always handled for her before and now I'm asking this young woman to handle my problems due to me not being able to speak for myself.
These landlords in Korea tend to have too much power and often don't keep their properties up very well and then place indisputable erroneous charges on tenants. Where's my heat tape to plug in as to protect pipes? |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Chilgok, Korea
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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sojourner1 wrote: |
Don't have a mod account. OK, how in the world did you post if you really didn't post it? Suppose computers can screw up, but this is the 1st time on this site to my knowledge. Nothing is perfect. |
Apology accepted. And I did post it. Just not to this thread. |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Do Koreans have these problems?
Why don't you get a place where the boiler is "inside"? |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Straphanger wrote: |
sojourner1 wrote: |
Don't have a mod account. OK, how in the world did you post if you really didn't post it? Suppose computers can screw up, but this is the 1st time on this site to my knowledge. Nothing is perfect. |
Apology accepted. And I did post it. Just not to this thread. |
Why the need to duplicate what I said? Yes, I wrote 2 threads that ended up being about the same thing today; frozen burst pipes, one on boiler in cold place and this one on broken pipes. Don't you think I'm getting quite frustrated as it is with the daftness I'm seeing in my handler, landlord, and everyone else involved? I'm asking for intelligent sensible adult responses, but it's tough where common sense is hard to find. Common sense is not the Korean way. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Chilgok, Korea
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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sojourner1 wrote: |
Why the need to duplicate what I said? |
I didn't duplicate it. I attempted to reply to it. Realizing that it was gone, I assumed someone was monkeying around in the back end. So I decided to replace the post that only existed for the fraction of a second I managed to catch it (to be a dick). But I absolutely did not do it in *this* thread. I don't know how it got here.
My reply was going to be:
Given the situation, I would sit down with the landlord. I would tell him that I understand his position that I am responsible for the bill, but that I disagree with it. That surely there is the Korean equivalent of an arbiter, or magistrate, or caliph, who can intervene when two reasonable people disagree. I would ask for his help in getting the problem fixed as soon as humanly possible, so that he can give me the bill, and I can inform him in writing that I do not intend to pay it. At that point, the dispute is documented, and we can take it to court.
Take lots of pictures first to support your position. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Straphanger wrote: |
sojourner1 wrote: |
Why the need to duplicate what I said? |
I didn't duplicate it. I attempted to reply to it. Realizing that it was gone, I assumed someone was monkeying around in the back end. So I decided to replace the post that only existed for the fraction of a second I managed to catch it (to be a dick). But I absolutely did not do it in *this* thread. I don't know how it got here.
My reply was going to be:
Given the situation, I would sit down with the landlord. I would tell him that I understand his position that I am responsible for the bill, but that I disagree with it. That surely there is the Korean equivalent of an arbiter, or magistrate, or caliph, who can intervene when two reasonable people disagree. I would ask for his help in getting the problem fixed as soon as humanly possible, so that he can give me the bill, and I can inform him in writing that I do not intend to pay it. At that point, the dispute is documented, and we can take it to court.
Take lots of pictures first to support your position. |
If you tell him ahead of time that you will not pay for the repair why would he pay to have the boiler fixed in the first place? |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Chilgok, Korea
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:19 am Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
If you tell him ahead of time that you will not pay for the repair why would he pay to have the boiler fixed in the first place? |
If he put it that way, I would simply say that I would make the repair myself, and send him the receipt in lieu of a rent check for...what 800kW is a couple of months? The situation would be forced. Giving him the opportunity to discuss it without pulling out the guns works at home many times, I'd be willing to at least try it here. The magistrate / caliph is a concept that is thousands of years old, they surely have it here. If the landlord makes a choice not to use it, then they need to face the fact that they aren't going to get paid, and the case will end up in court anyway when they try to sue for it.
Better to go in where both parties acknowledge that there is a disagreement and choose someone to work it out. That's the best way. It can escalate from there.
Also, what's with all these threads and the "what if" starts to posts? If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas!
If if if if if... Maybe the landlord is a reasonable person and wants to handle the situation like an adult. I would certainly want to be treated with respect in his case, why not show some at the outset? |
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