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RACETRAITOR
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He might have used his religious beliefs to get other world leaders for political support, that doesn't make him a tyrant. Anyone who is using his religious beliefs to create betterment for his own people and not for his own selfish greed of power, is not a tyrant in my book. It seems that other world leaders do agree and support him, except the Chinese communist regime. What does that say about the Chinese government?
Please don't tell me you believe Gandhi and Mother Teresa are tyrants too. |
Gandhi was a pee freak who liked sex with very young girls and Mother Teresa just liked to watch people die.
As far as world leaders go, if you want to find some who used their religious beliefs to create betterment for their own people, just look at the Crusades, the Middle East, and Utah. |
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itaewonguy
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Girlygirl wrote: |
He might have used his religious beliefs to get other world leaders for political support, that doesn't make him a tyrant. Anyone who is using his religious beliefs to create betterment for his own people and not for his own selfish greed of power, is not a tyrant in my book. It seems that other world leaders do agree and support him, except the Chinese communist regime. What does that say about the Chinese government?
Please don't tell me you believe Gandhi and Mother Teresa are tyrants too. |
Gandhi was a pee freak who liked sex with very young girls and Mother Teresa just liked to watch people die.
As far as world leaders go, if you want to find some who used their religious beliefs to create betterment for their own people, just look at the Crusades, the Middle East, and Utah. |
YOU ARE SUCH A TOOL!!! |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Girlygirl wrote: |
He might have used his religious beliefs to get other world leaders for political support, that doesn't make him a tyrant. Anyone who is using his religious beliefs to create betterment for his own people and not for his own selfish greed of power, is not a tyrant in my book. It seems that other world leaders do agree and support him, except the Chinese communist regime. What does that say about the Chinese government?
Please don't tell me you believe Gandhi and Mother Teresa are tyrants too. |
Gandhi was a pee freak who liked sex with very young girls and Mother Teresa just liked to watch people die.
As far as world leaders go, if you want to find some who used their religious beliefs to create betterment for their own people, just look at the Crusades, the Middle East, and Utah. |
YOU ARE SUCH A TOOL!!! |
And you're a moron. |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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Well the Ghandi statement is true,
Ghand DID like to have sex with little girls. Fact.
Anyways,
The fact is the Dalai Lama is trying to gain political power. He is a religious figure and he already has that. But he is trying to obtain more power for his region as a political figure. Even if he is doing it for the betterment of his own people he is sitll a tyrant bent for more power. If you look up what a tyrant is, he certainly sounds like one to me: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny)
The Dalai Lama has stated many times he believes that religion and politics are one entity. And he has said on occassions he believes in a democracy (to gain western support, I think). The problem there in lies that the Dalai Lama's comments are paradoxial. His religion mounts him as the leader of a fedual serfdom construct (with slaves yes). In the Tibetian relgion, democracy doesn't exist.
People view him as a good man because of his "crazy ass PR tricks". The fact is, many Americans (myself included) thought he was a holy man only trying to reclaim his own land for his people. Fact is there are always two sides to a story and we have to be informed of both, even if it's not fed to us by the media. There is information that is VOLUNATARILY given to us by the media, and there is the rest that we have to search and find out ourselves if we are to have informed opinions.
Dalami Lama claims that there is a Chinese govermenet genocide on his people and widespread oppression.
1) Tibetian population grew, you can look it up. There is no genocide
2) Hans have to pay tax, Tibetians do not.
3) Hans have a 1 child policy, Tibetians do not.
Tibetians recieve preferential treatement by the Chinese government. The "bad" thing that the Chinese government has done is allow hans to move into Tibetian territory. The tibetians view this as an "Invasion" of their homeland.
Quite honestly it's not that my bad in my opinion. It's that some Tibetians don't like their new neighbors. Addmittedly I'm sure there are Chinese who are assholes and are oppressing the tibetians and there are assholes on both sides. Fact is the Dalai Lama is exacerbating stories of the situation. There aren't clear signs of Chinese Genocide or oppression on the people but for some reason the Americans have bought into it.
He's sold this idea of "rightful" homeland. And tibet belongs to tibetians. But really does that same arguement hold anywhere else? I think all Americans should get off America and lave it to the rightful owners of Native Americans. Or that palestinians should get off the Israeli land. Or how about weigooks should get off Hangook land? This rightful homeland claims is invalid in so many ways. Who was their first? Were you the original first? Even if you were, does that give you the right to say if it's your land or not? Land is land, no one really has claim to anything on land, it's simply a human mental construct and a ego trip and territorial fighting... It's about as primitive as gorillas fighting for territory and humans still haven't grown out of it.
He is usuing his religious influence to tell people around other nations that he is peaceful, and tyranical China (which I agree has killed many) is trying to keep him out. Fact is, China on a number of occassions have said it's ok for him to come back as ONLY a religious figure, but he won't drop his political agenda. What kind of man wants religious power and political power? A tyrant to me
If you want further evidence of Dalai Lama "lies": http://english.cri.cn/3126/2008/04/28/[email protected]
I don't know the validity fo this site honestly. But it's important to gain opposing perspective. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well the Ghandi statement is true,
Ghand DID like to have sex with little girls. Fact. |
You are completely wrong, and that is a fact.
Did Mahatma Gandhi sleep with virgins?
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Did Gandhi indeed kip with preteen jail-quail?
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Well, they weren't 12. They also weren't all virgins; so far as is known they worked solo rather than in pairs; and Gandhi claimed he wasn't trying to rejuvenate his manly energy but rather prove he had it under control. In all other respects, however, the tome you cite (whatsamatter, David, the bookstore was out of The South Beach Diet?) is 100 percent accurate: the leader of the movement to free India of the British yoke did sleep with young females--and what's more, both parties were often naked at the time. He was 77 when this odd practice came to light, and from what we know sleeping was all they did. However, when a renowned holy man of any age pulls a stunt like this, he takes the chance that it'll turn up in a book with a title like The Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress.
Mohandas Gandhi's sleeping arrangements attracted public attention during the winter of 1946-47, when he was trying to quell violence between Muslims and Hindus in the Noakhali district in what is now Bangladesh. It came out that Gandhi was bunking nightly with his 19-year-old grandniece, Manu. In part this was an effort to stay warm in the winter chill, but Gandhi soon acknowledged there was more to it: he was testing his vow of brahmacharya, or total chastity in thought and deed. If he could spend the night in a woman's embrace without feeling sexual stirrings, it would demonstrate that he had conquered his carnal impulses and become "God's eunuch." It turned out that Manu was not his first brahmacharya lab partner--he'd also recently gotten naked (partly, at least) with another young woman in his extended family, starting when she was 18.
Unschooled as you are in the mysteries of the East, David, you scoff--and to be frank, there were quite a few raised eyebrows in India. One of the most vocal critics was Nirmal Kumar Bose, a university lecturer who served as Gandhi's interpreter in Noakhali. While conceding that no hanky-panky had taken place (Gandhi and his entourage typically all slept in the same room) Bose protested that the master was exploiting the women, each of whom felt she had a special place in his affections and became "hysterical" if slighted. (Here I follow the account by author Ved Mehta in his 1976 New Yorker series on Gandhi and his followers.) Gandhi, far from being abashed, vigorously defended himself in meetings, letters, and articles, arguing that making a woman "the instrument of my lust" would be far more exploitative than what he actually did.
Remarkably, the critics eventually quieted down. Even Bose, who quit in protest and later discussed the issue in a book, My Days With Gandhi, remained an admirer. Gandhi continued to sleep with women until his assassination in 1948, and the matter is little remembered today. The esteem in which Gandhi was held no doubt partly accounts for the lack of repercussions, along with his advanced age. His notoriously eccentric views on sex may have been a factor too. Gandhi believed that sex for pleasure was sinful (for that matter, he felt eating chocolate was sinful), that sexual attraction between men and women was unnatural, and that husband and wife should live together as brother and sister, having sex only for purposes of procreation. (I take most of this from a memoir by journalist William Shirer, another admirer.) He swore off sex at age 36, required a similar vow of his disciples, and publicly freaked when he had a nocturnal emission in 1936 at age 67. Many hearing him rationalize his unusual blanket substitute probably figured, eh, that's the mahatma for you. (For what it's worth, the kinkier takes on the story--e.g., that Gandhi was regularly massaged by naked women--have no basis in fact that I can discover.) Whether or not you buy the notion that he didn't get off on contact with his very young bedmates (or feel that that would make it any less creepy), it says something about this profoundly strange guy that you can hear his claim that naked sleepovers were tests of purity for both participants and go: You think?
� Cecil Adams |
See also:
http://solutionfutures.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/07/the-mahatma-gandhi-and-his-girls.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi#Experiments_with_Brahmacharya
The rest of your post is just as completely wrong and thus is not worth my time. |
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runlikegump
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Goku wrote: |
Well the Ghandi statement is true,
Ghand DID like to have sex with little girls. Fact.
Anyways,
The fact is the Dalai Lama is trying to gain political power. He is a religious figure and he already has that. But he is trying to obtain more power for his region as a political figure. Even if he is doing it for the betterment of his own people he is sitll a tyrant bent for more power. If you look up what a tyrant is, he certainly sounds like one to me: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny)
The Dalai Lama has stated many times he believes that religion and politics are one entity. And he has said on occassions he believes in a democracy (to gain western support, I think). The problem there in lies that the Dalai Lama's comments are paradoxial. His religion mounts him as the leader of a fedual serfdom construct (with slaves yes). In the Tibetian relgion, democracy doesn't exist.
People view him as a good man because of his "crazy ass PR tricks". The fact is, many Americans (myself included) thought he was a holy man only trying to reclaim his own land for his people. Fact is there are always two sides to a story and we have to be informed of both, even if it's not fed to us by the media. There is information that is VOLUNATARILY given to us by the media, and there is the rest that we have to search and find out ourselves if we are to have informed opinions.
Dalami Lama claims that there is a Chinese govermenet genocide on his people and widespread oppression.
1) Tibetian population grew, you can look it up. There is no genocide
2) Hans have to pay tax, Tibetians do not.
3) Hans have a 1 child policy, Tibetians do not.
Tibetians recieve preferential treatement by the Chinese government. The "bad" thing that the Chinese government has done is allow hans to move into Tibetian territory. The tibetians view this as an "Invasion" of their homeland.
Quite honestly it's not that my bad in my opinion. It's that some Tibetians don't like their new neighbors. Addmittedly I'm sure there are Chinese who are assholes and are oppressing the tibetians and there are assholes on both sides. Fact is the Dalai Lama is exacerbating stories of the situation. There aren't clear signs of Chinese Genocide or oppression on the people but for some reason the Americans have bought into it.
He's sold this idea of "rightful" homeland. And tibet belongs to tibetians. But really does that same arguement hold anywhere else? I think all Americans should get off America and lave it to the rightful owners of Native Americans. Or that palestinians should get off the Israeli land. Or how about weigooks should get off Hangook land? This rightful homeland claims is invalid in so many ways. Who was their first? Were you the original first? Even if you were, does that give you the right to say if it's your land or not? Land is land, no one really has claim to anything on land, it's simply a human mental construct and a ego trip and territorial fighting... It's about as primitive as gorillas fighting for territory and humans still haven't grown out of it.
He is usuing his religious influence to tell people around other nations that he is peaceful, and tyranical China (which I agree has killed many) is trying to keep him out. Fact is, China on a number of occassions have said it's ok for him to come back as ONLY a religious figure, but he won't drop his political agenda. What kind of man wants religious power and political power? A tyrant to me
If you want further evidence of Dalai Lama "lies": http://english.cri.cn/3126/2008/04/28/[email protected]
I don't know the validity fo this site honestly. But it's important to gain opposing perspective. |
Hands down, the most uninformed post in Dave's history. |
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Bucheonguy
Joined: 23 Oct 2008
Location: Bucheon
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| Goku wrote: |
Well the Ghandi statement is true,
Ghand DID like to have sex with little girls. Fact.
Anyways,
The fact is the Dalai Lama is trying to gain political power. He is a religious figure and he already has that. But he is trying to obtain more power for his region as a political figure. Even if he is doing it for the betterment of his own people he is sitll a tyrant bent for more power. If you look up what a tyrant is, he certainly sounds like one to me: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny)
The Dalai Lama has stated many times he believes that religion and politics are one entity. And he has said on occassions he believes in a democracy (to gain western support, I think). The problem there in lies that the Dalai Lama's comments are paradoxial. His religion mounts him as the leader of a fedual serfdom construct (with slaves yes). In the Tibetian relgion, democracy doesn't exist.
People view him as a good man because of his "crazy ass PR tricks". The fact is, many Americans (myself included) thought he was a holy man only trying to reclaim his own land for his people. Fact is there are always two sides to a story and we have to be informed of both, even if it's not fed to us by the media. There is information that is VOLUNATARILY given to us by the media, and there is the rest that we have to search and find out ourselves if we are to have informed opinions.
Dalami Lama claims that there is a Chinese govermenet genocide on his people and widespread oppression.
1) Tibetian population grew, you can look it up. There is no genocide
2) Hans have to pay tax, Tibetians do not.
3) Hans have a 1 child policy, Tibetians do not.
Tibetians recieve preferential treatement by the Chinese government. The "bad" thing that the Chinese government has done is allow hans to move into Tibetian territory. The tibetians view this as an "Invasion" of their homeland.
Quite honestly it's not that my bad in my opinion. It's that some Tibetians don't like their new neighbors. Addmittedly I'm sure there are Chinese who are assholes and are oppressing the tibetians and there are assholes on both sides. Fact is the Dalai Lama is exacerbating stories of the situation. There aren't clear signs of Chinese Genocide or oppression on the people but for some reason the Americans have bought into it.
He's sold this idea of "rightful" homeland. And tibet belongs to tibetians. But really does that same arguement hold anywhere else? I think all Americans should get off America and lave it to the rightful owners of Native Americans. Or that palestinians should get off the Israeli land. Or how about weigooks should get off Hangook land? This rightful homeland claims is invalid in so many ways. Who was their first? Were you the original first? Even if you were, does that give you the right to say if it's your land or not? Land is land, no one really has claim to anything on land, it's simply a human mental construct and a ego trip and territorial fighting... It's about as primitive as gorillas fighting for territory and humans still haven't grown out of it.
He is usuing his religious influence to tell people around other nations that he is peaceful, and tyranical China (which I agree has killed many) is trying to keep him out. Fact is, China on a number of occassions have said it's ok for him to come back as ONLY a religious figure, but he won't drop his political agenda. What kind of man wants religious power and political power? A tyrant to me
If you want further evidence of Dalai Lama "lies": http://english.cri.cn/3126/2008/04/28/[email protected]
I don't know the validity fo this site honestly. But it's important to gain opposing perspective. |
Hands down, the most uninformed post in Dave's history. |
I actually can't believe what I'm reading! What the hell sources did you find that say Ghandi was some kind of sexual predator?
Not to mention the fact that people are actually debating whether the DL is a tyrant. The guy is clearly not a tyrant. Tibetans are basically being killed and various NGO's have stated that the Tibet situation is genocide. Plus, just because the USA was robbed from Native American's why do you think it's acceptable for China to take over another country and use it as a toxic/nuclear waste dump (which is what they're doing)?
I honestly can't believe that some of you guys are teachers! It's despicable what you're saying. |
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cj1976
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| I think if the DL did get to up to shady business, then people have a right to know before they buy his self-help books. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| I think if the DL did get to up to shady business, then people have a right to know before they buy his self-help books. |
The militia training/CIA funding is not made up at all. Maybe Tibet is in the wrong hands right now, although I don't really think so, but the bottom line is this guy is closer to a warlord than a religiously enlightened person. |
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Goku
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Whether or not he slept with the girls is debated. I was wrong to tack on "fact" as it's not. He undoubtedly slept with them but did not have sex and I'll admit I did not remember that part correctly.
As for Dalai lama, Like I said, I used to support him. In fact, I went to a few "Save Tibet" rallies. But then when I read what Tibet was like from 1911 to 1950, it really made me wonder. And then finding out about his offenses...
I have many friends from China who have retold accounts about the Dalai lama from a Chinese point of view. Honestly, both sides American and Chinese have tons of propaganda. After reading articles from both sides, I personally believe he is a tyrant. I honestly don't care if you choose to believe he's some kind of a religious saint, because that's what western media want's to portray... Papers sell more when GENOCIDAL COUNTRY KILLS TIBETANS BECAUSE THEY HATE RELIGION.
Sounds a lot like terrorists hate America because they hate freedom...
Why can't he rule as a religious figurehead? Why does he need political power?
If you don't believe the sources fine, continue to think he's a saint. But fact if China wanted to conduct genocide of the Tibetans, it would have been done 50 years ago. The fact that Tibetans are alive enough to revolt is obvious proof that they aren't dead.
So if genocide is taking place why is it so hard to kill 2.8 million Tibetans? That's less than a third of the population of Seoul to give some perspective.
Here is an article of a German Scholar who says that cultural genocide doesn't exist: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-04/24/content_6642184.htm (granted it's from a Chinese newspaper, but most western papers don't bother acknowledging it because newspapers only print stories that will sell... downplaying a massacre doesn't sell)
Have any of you even been to Tibet? My Aunt visited a few months ago. She went to museums, saw the people, ate food and traveled with them. It's a tourist destination filled with museums and a gift shops. There aren't gun toting communist Chinese laying gunfire and killing innocent Tibetans. Whatever picture the Dali Lama has painted for you, he was totally successful as 3 of you have already bought into it.
I'm not saying that you guys are uniformed, because the reason I know about this is because I have family that has been to Tibet, friends who are from China, etc. Don't discount information even if it contradicts everything you've already learned. Because we know nothing about this world and we should get every side.
You would be surprised to hear about the Dali Lama's contradictions some of his "friends", including being associated the the Japanese cult leader responsible for subway gasing massacre (Aum cult organized by Shoko Asahara).
And let's not forget he owned slaves WHILE he was in rule. Seriously, why is that so overlooked. he's a saint? Owning slaves? Jesus, people will go to the lengths and the motions to defend him but not realize that he owned slaves, subjugated women, and denounced homosexuality.
Here is a great article about the dali lama: http://kalovski.blog.com/763351/ |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:57 am Post subject: |
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To those of you who think that the Dalai Lama is a "tyrant" or "warlord" who lusts for power:
Perhaps you would like to explain why he's decided to hand over future decision-making over Tibet to the Parliament-in-Exile.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/25/world/main4545629.shtml
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"I have been sincerely pursuing the middle way approach in dealing with China for a long time now but there hasn't been any positive response from the Chinese side," he said in Tibetan at a public function Saturday in Dharmsala, the north Indian town that is home to Tibet's government-in-exile.
"As far as I'm concerned I have given up," he said in an unusually blunt statement.
"The issue of Tibet is not the issue of the Dalai Lama alone. It is the issue of 6 million Tibetans. I have asked the Tibetan government-in-exile, as a true democracy in exile, to decide in consultation with the Tibetan people the future course of action," the Dalai Lama said. |
He's given up and is going to hand things over to a secular, civilian political body. Some "warlord."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,druck-552775,00.html
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| Dalai Lama: I already consider myself semi-retired today. The day-to-day business of government is already handled by the cabinet led by Prime Minister Rinpoche, which was democratically elected here in exile. I would like to retire completely in a few years. |
Retire? And leave the Tibetan Prime Minister in charge? He can't retire --he's a "tyrant"! He's got people to kill and torture! |
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travel zen
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Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Do you know what happened to Tibet ?
Is George Washington a terrorist or hero ?
The Chinese killed Tibetans and took the country over. Communism (China) kills religion and that was the very heart of Tibet...for centuries.
Why call him Tyrant ? Unless you work for the PRC... |
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runlikegump
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Whether or not he slept with the girls is debated. I was wrong to tack on "fact" as it's not. He undoubtedly slept with them but did not have sex and I'll admit I did not remember that part correctly.
As for Dalai lama, Like I said, I used to support him. In fact, I went to a few "Save Tibet" rallies. But then when I read what Tibet was like from 1911 to 1950, it really made me wonder. And then finding out about his offenses...
I have many friends from China who have retold accounts about the Dalai lama from a Chinese point of view. Honestly, both sides American and Chinese have tons of propaganda. After reading articles from both sides, I personally believe he is a tyrant. I honestly don't care if you choose to believe he's some kind of a religious saint, because that's what western media want's to portray... Papers sell more when GENOCIDAL COUNTRY KILLS TIBETANS BECAUSE THEY HATE RELIGION.
Sounds a lot like terrorists hate America because they hate freedom...
Why can't he rule as a religious figurehead? Why does he need political power?
If you don't believe the sources fine, continue to think he's a saint. But fact if China wanted to conduct genocide of the Tibetans, it would have been done 50 years ago. The fact that Tibetans are alive enough to revolt is obvious proof that they aren't dead.
So if genocide is taking place why is it so hard to kill 2.8 million Tibetans? That's less than a third of the population of Seoul to give some perspective.
Here is an article of a German Scholar who says that cultural genocide doesn't exist: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-04/24/content_6642184.htm (granted it's from a Chinese newspaper, but most western papers don't bother acknowledging it because newspapers only print stories that will sell... downplaying a massacre doesn't sell)
Have any of you even been to Tibet? My Aunt visited a few months ago. She went to museums, saw the people, ate food and traveled with them. It's a tourist destination filled with museums and a gift shops. There aren't gun toting communist Chinese laying gunfire and killing innocent Tibetans. Whatever picture the Dali Lama has painted for you, he was totally successful as 3 of you have already bought into it.
I'm not saying that you guys are uniformed, because the reason I know about this is because I have family that has been to Tibet, friends who are from China, etc. Don't discount information even if it contradicts everything you've already learned. Because we know nothing about this world and we should get every side.
You would be surprised to hear about the Dali Lama's contradictions some of his "friends", including being associated the the Japanese cult leader responsible for subway gasing massacre (Aum cult organized by Shoko Asahara).
And let's not forget he owned slaves WHILE he was in rule. Seriously, why is that so overlooked. he's a saint? Owning slaves? Jesus, people will go to the lengths and the motions to defend him but not realize that he owned slaves, subjugated women, and denounced homosexuality.
Here is a great article about the dali lama: http://kalovski.blog.com/763351/ |
Well, if your aunt visited a few months ago AND she ate food, I guess you do know what you're talking about. |
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