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American Dad, Korean Mom, Baby's Name, IMPORTANT LEGAL Q
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Fredbob



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:14 am    Post subject: American Dad, Korean Mom, Baby's Name, IMPORTANT LEGAL Q Reply with quote

OK, I should have thought of this before, my K wife are having our first baby this Friday, I was working under the assumption that she could have 2 names, I figured that in Korea she could keep my father in-laws family name, he has no sons and I would give her the first name Chon Sa, then, for her passport and American SS# her name would be my last name and Angel/Angela (roughly a translation of Chon Sa). We do intend to immigrate to the US, or at least spend half our time in the US and half in Korea over the years.

I've thought over the having 2 names thing psychologically, just want to know if doing it the way i've outlined it is possible.

ANYBODY?
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bluelake



Joined: 01 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From experience, my son (now a Ph.D. student in Seoul) had both legal Korean and American names. He had dual-citizenship up to his eighteenth year, and carried both Korean and American passports. For his Korean citizenship, he used his Korean name (mother's family name) and on his US passport used his American name.
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jennzy



Joined: 12 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i was born i was given two names
sun young and jenny

the reason my parents did this was because they knew we were going to immigrate to canada but the korean gov't won't allow me to have an english name so my parents renamed me to sun young and when we immigrated to canada we legally changed my name so its jenny sun young kim

but that was 21 yrs ago... i dont know what the rule is now
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting question ...
Does she have to use 천사 rather than 엔젤(sp)?
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Landros



Joined: 19 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: legal Korean name Reply with quote

my son has my family name in Korea but it would have been better I think if he had an all Korean name. he goes to Korean elementary school and is registered with my name. his classmates think it sounds weird so he just uses his korean one even though he is registered with his foreign one. I'd recommend usin a full Korean name so your kids fit in.

My daughter just uses her mother's family name and it makes things easier.
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Whistleblower



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My son was born in the UK and we decided to name him; "Elliott Jee Ho (Surname)"

In Korea he is known as Jee Ho and in the UK Elliott. Also on the health insurance card or other documentation (immigration, etc) his Korean name is given or used.

No problems with using two names.
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rocketdolphin



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: American Dad, Korean Mom, Baby's Name, IMPORTANT LEGAL Q Reply with quote

Is there a law that a child has to have a traditional Korean name, or can you just call her Angel and write Anh-gel out in Korean? Then she could take your father-in-law's surname. Unless of course Angel translates to something weird.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: American Dad, Korean Mom, Baby's Name, IMPORTANT LEGAL Q Reply with quote

Fredbob wrote:

I've thought over the having 2 names thing psychologically, just want to know if doing it the way i've outlined it is possible.


Most westerners have two names, a first name and a middle name. I don't think that's responsible for all our troubles.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: American Dad, Korean Mom, Baby's Name, IMPORTANT LEGAL Q Reply with quote

Fredbob wrote:


I've thought over the having 2 names thing psychologically, just want to know if doing it the way i've outlined it is possible.

ANYBODY?




Our son has two names. Yes, possible.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My daughter has my family name and a Korean given name. No problems whatsoever with either country when doing the passports.
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Fredbob



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

앤젤, the first part mean lover, don't think that will go over well on the playground

천사 is the translation for Angel and I am COMPLETELY against the whole Haguelizatoin (word?) of English, so there's no way I'm doing that to my child's name.


so, the US Embassy says,
As an American citizen, the child�s legal name is what�s on the US passport. If the child is dual nationality and has different names, it may cause problems later because of inconsistency. As an American, a person cannot have two names. We do not recognize dual citizenship-dual names.

Having two names may not cause problems in a legal matter, but it may be hard for you later in the future to prove that they are the same person.



Sincerely,
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy Seoul
32 Sejong-no, Jongno-gu
Seoul, Korea 110-710
Address for U.S. military or U.S. postage:
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy Seoul
Unit 15550
APO AP 96205-5550

Tel: 82-2-397-4114 DSN: 721-4114
Fax: 82-2-397-4101 DSN: 721-4101
For information about passports, registration, and other services for U.S. citizens, please check our websites www.asktheconsul.org or http://seoul.usembassy.gov/american_citizen_services.html.

no problem, still have like 48 hours to decide this, cheers
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sineface



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fredbob wrote:
As an American, a person cannot have two names. We do not recognize dual citizenship-dual names.



This sounds like the same bullshit they give you about dual citizenship as an adult. You must technically renounce any other citizenship in order to pledge allegiance to America, but in reality, people are walking around with two passports and an allegiance to a second country all the time. I'd just do what you feel comfortable with, if a problem arises in the future, cross that bridge when you come to it.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fredbob wrote:

Having two names may not cause problems in a legal matter, but it may be hard for you later in the future to prove that they are the same person.


What about George Herbert Walker Bush? That guy had a whole bunch of names. And what about all those hillbillies named Jim-Bob? Or, possibly, Fredbob.

Anyway, I do agree with you about the name they chose, but that's for the kid's future psychiatrist to worry about.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Fredbob wrote:

Having two names may not cause problems in a legal matter, but it may be hard for you later in the future to prove that they are the same person.


What about George Herbert Walker Bush? That guy had a whole bunch of names. And what about all those hillbillies named Jim-Bob? Or, possibly, Fredbob.


Do you really not grasp the difference between having multiple given names and multiple COMPLETELY DIFFERENT names? The Embassy is saying that if a person has two completely separate names (ie. Lee Jung-bu and John Walker Smith) on their two passports, this might cause problems in identification later on, especially when that person may have kids of their own.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kprrok wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Fredbob wrote:

Having two names may not cause problems in a legal matter, but it may be hard for you later in the future to prove that they are the same person.


What about George Herbert Walker Bush? That guy had a whole bunch of names. And what about all those hillbillies named Jim-Bob? Or, possibly, Fredbob.


Do you really not grasp the difference between having multiple given names and multiple COMPLETELY DIFFERENT names? The Embassy is saying that if a person has two completely separate names (ie. Lee Jung-bu and John Walker Smith) on their two passports, this might cause problems in identification later on, especially when that person may have kids of their own.


Yes, I really do not grasp why someone would have trouble with that. Just make the Korean name into the American middle name. It's legal to have foreigner-sounding middle names in America, isn't it? So instead of Lee Jung-bu and John Walker Smith, just John Jungbu Smith/Lee (not sure why there'd be two different family names either).
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