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kyopo4life
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 Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: Does anybody have experience working for top companies.... |
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| in Korea?? I know for a fact that I won't be teaching English for too long.. My absolute dream and goal is to work for a top corporation like Samsung or Hyundai in Korea. I heard that getting hired is really competitive and difficult. But I heard that once your in, you have the possibility of a guaranteed lifetime employment with the same company with excellent benefits. What can I do to get hired?? I know that a person being bilingual is a requirement but I also heard that you have to take exams in order for you to be considered.. |
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michaelambling
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Does anybody have experience working for top companies.. |
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| kyopo4life wrote: |
| in Korea?? I know for a fact that I won't be teaching English for too long.. My absolute dream and goal is to work for a top corporation like Samsung or Hyundai in Korea. I heard that getting hired is really competitive and difficult. But I heard that once your in, you have the possibility of a guaranteed lifetime employment with the same company with excellent benefits. What can I do to get hired?? I know that a person being bilingual is a requirement but I also heard that you have to take exams in order for you to be considered.. |
Why would you want to work 10 hours a day doing busywork for less pay (averaged per hour) than you'd get teaching English?
I don't mean to be rude, but I just don't understand why anyone would want to work for a company. Could someone explain this to me? |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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There are several ways to get started. Some companies will allow you to apply on-line while others want you to apply in person at job advertisement sessions. Once you put in your initial application with resume and cover letter you will either make the first cut or won't. If you make the first cut the process varies from company to company. Some require you to pass a battery of tests (2-4) before you can even sit down with an interview pannel, while others will begin with a general interview and if you pass it then you go on to the testing phase. To get to the final group you usually have to go through about 5 or 6 steps (tests and interviews). The final group is the usually brought to the HQ of the company then do one or two days of one on one interviews. These consist of an English speaking interview, interviews with each major department in the company, a interview with HR and then a physical. If you are deemed to be the best of this group then you are given a job.
This is how it works if you don't have a special skill, for example like a mechatronics engineer. If you don't have a special skill and you are given a job then you will be placed in the department that the company wants you in. For example if you applied to KWater you may wish to work for HR, but you could be placed in the testing division and have to work their for your first 5 years. Hope this helped out. If you want to find out specifics you can check websites of the companies you are interested in. They usually have information on their exact hiring process and how to apply.
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strange_brew
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the bigger question is, "You want to teach English?" |
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Typhoon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Does anybody have experience working for top companies.. |
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| michaelambling wrote: |
| kyopo4life wrote: |
| in Korea?? I know for a fact that I won't be teaching English for too long.. My absolute dream and goal is to work for a top corporation like Samsung or Hyundai in Korea. I heard that getting hired is really competitive and difficult. But I heard that once your in, you have the possibility of a guaranteed lifetime employment with the same company with excellent benefits. What can I do to get hired?? I know that a person being bilingual is a requirement but I also heard that you have to take exams in order for you to be considered.. |
Why would you want to work 10 hours a day doing busywork for less pay (averaged per hour) than you'd get teaching English?
I don't mean to be rude, but I just don't understand why anyone would want to work for a company. Could someone explain this to me? |
A good company has great salary, unbelievable benfits, and huge bonuses. You have to put in long hours, but you don't really do anything. The long hours are more about being at the job and going out after work with your co-workers. The majority of time is spent recovering from drinking the night before. There are only 5 or 6 busy weeks in the year in most big companies (usually revolving around funding and making presentations for the boss). If you actually do 3 hours of work during the day you are doing more than most. Workers look "busy" becuase they wasted so much time doing nothing and as deadlines approach they ahve to make up for slacking most of the time. When you are in a big company you really see how easy the jobs are. Guys are constantly sleeping at their desks, taking an extra hour at lunch and running off for "a meeting" at a sauna. The hours are long, but they are not too hard. |
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caniff
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Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Does anybody have experience working for top companies.. |
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| kyopo4life wrote: |
| I know for a fact that I won't be teaching English for too long. |
You should never have been hired to teach English in the first place. Do you know why? Because your English skills are abysmal.
Fact. |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Does anybody have experience working for top companies.. |
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| Typhoon wrote: |
| michaelambling wrote: |
| kyopo4life wrote: |
| in Korea?? I know for a fact that I won't be teaching English for too long.. My absolute dream and goal is to work for a top corporation like Samsung or Hyundai in Korea. I heard that getting hired is really competitive and difficult. But I heard that once your in, you have the possibility of a guaranteed lifetime employment with the same company with excellent benefits. What can I do to get hired?? I know that a person being bilingual is a requirement but I also heard that you have to take exams in order for you to be considered.. |
Why would you want to work 10 hours a day doing busywork for less pay (averaged per hour) than you'd get teaching English?
I don't mean to be rude, but I just don't understand why anyone would want to work for a company. Could someone explain this to me? |
A good company has great salary, unbelievable benfits, and huge bonuses. You have to put in long hours, but you don't really do anything. The long hours are more about being at the job and going out after work with your co-workers. The majority of time is spent recovering from drinking the night before. There are only 5 or 6 busy weeks in the year in most big companies (usually revolving around funding and making presentations for the boss). If you actually do 3 hours of work during the day you are doing more than most. Workers look "busy" becuase they wasted so much time doing nothing and as deadlines approach they ahve to make up for slacking most of the time. When you are in a big company you really see how easy the jobs are. Guys are constantly sleeping at their desks, taking an extra hour at lunch and running off for "a meeting" at a sauna. The hours are long, but they are not too hard. |
This is exactly my problem with office work. I want my time to be my time, not a company's time--even if it means I'll get more money.
To put this in perspective: a friend of mine makes 80k a year at an office job for a major Japanese company, and only has to work 8 hours a day. That turns into $6666/mo. = $41.66 an hour, or 56990 won/hr. He gets two weeks' vacation a year. Now let's consider a university job at 3.2 million won/month at 18 hours a week with two months' vacation a year (yes, they exist). That turns into 720 hours a year @ 57777won/hr. Added bonuses: more free time to yourself, freedom to move around, more time for vacations, etc. etc.
I'm sure there's a flaw in my thinking, because I don't know anyone (least of all teachers) who agrees with me. |
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victorology
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Does anybody have experience working for top companies.. |
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| michaelambling wrote: |
This is exactly my problem with office work. I want my time to be my time, not a company's time--even if it means I'll get more money.
To put this in perspective: a friend of mine makes 80k a year at an office job for a major Japanese company, and only has to work 8 hours a day. That turns into $6666/mo. = $41.66 an hour, or 56990 won/hr. He gets two weeks' vacation a year. Now let's consider a university job at 3.2 million won/month at 18 hours a week with two months' vacation a year (yes, they exist). That turns into 720 hours a year @ 57777won/hr. Added bonuses: more free time to yourself, freedom to move around, more time for vacations, etc. etc.
I'm sure there's a flaw in my thinking, because I don't know anyone (least of all teachers) who agrees with me. |
I don't think there's a flaw in your thinking. The numbers are there... for now. One problem is, you're calculating by the hour. The guy with the teaching job makes the same per hour but takes home less as a whole.
The problem is when you project earnings out over your career. The person with the job at the company will probably have more advancement opportunities. Advancement equals more money over the course of the career. |
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jdog2050
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| there's another thread where I make this statement but, again, if you *simply teach* past a certain number of years in Korea...no one fucking cares. You may as well have been shuffling around seashells on the beach. |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Does anybody have experience working for top companies.. |
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| victorology wrote: |
| michaelambling wrote: |
This is exactly my problem with office work. I want my time to be my time, not a company's time--even if it means I'll get more money.
To put this in perspective: a friend of mine makes 80k a year at an office job for a major Japanese company, and only has to work 8 hours a day. That turns into $6666/mo. = $41.66 an hour, or 56990 won/hr. He gets two weeks' vacation a year. Now let's consider a university job at 3.2 million won/month at 18 hours a week with two months' vacation a year (yes, they exist). That turns into 720 hours a year @ 57777won/hr. Added bonuses: more free time to yourself, freedom to move around, more time for vacations, etc. etc.
I'm sure there's a flaw in my thinking, because I don't know anyone (least of all teachers) who agrees with me. |
I don't think there's a flaw in your thinking. The numbers are there... for now. One problem is, you're calculating by the hour. The guy with the teaching job makes the same per hour but takes home less as a whole.
The problem is when you project earnings out over your career. The person with the job at the company will probably have more advancement opportunities. Advancement equals more money over the course of the career. |
The most reasonable argument there is, but it's just not good enough for me. I've seen VPs' daughters, CEOs' spouses, managers' friends get promotions over those who really earn it. So I could spend twenty years kissing ass for the hope of middle management work and a gold watch, or work as hard as I can in the hope that I'll be one of the few exceptions and get ahead on my merit. I tried the latter once, but it didn't work--it rarely does. |
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NoExplode
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: Does anybody have experience working for top companies.. |
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| kyopo4life wrote: |
| My absolute dream and goal is to work for a top corporation like Samsung or Hyundai in Korea. |
Very original and creative goal! Kudos! |
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cisco kid
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: Outlaws had us pinned down at the fort
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Does anybody have experience working for top companies.. |
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| michaelambling wrote: |
The most reasonable argument there is, but it's just not good enough for me. I've seen VPs' daughters, CEOs' spouses, managers' friends get promotions over those who really earn it. So I could spend twenty years kissing ass for the hope of middle management work and a gold watch, or work as hard as I can in the hope that I'll be one of the few exceptions and get ahead on my merit. I tried the latter once, but it didn't work--it rarely does. |
Promotions are automatic in Korean companies. Well, up to senior management level anyway. The best thing about working for Korean companies is the free restaurant food & free drinking, the room salons and massage girls, and the bonuses. Oh, did I mention the 750,000 Won credit on any electronic goods we produce? I got a 32 inch LCD flat panel with that little bonus last summer.
While uni work may afford more paid time off, company work gives you experience you can put on your resume if you ever want to work in the real world back home. |
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| there's another thread where I make this statement but, again, if you *simply teach* past a certain number of years in Korea...no one fucking cares. You may as well have been shuffling around seashells on the beach. |
Haha! True. |
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meangradin
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| I heard that getting hired is really competitive and difficult. But I heard that once your in, you have the possibility of a guaranteed lifetime employment with the same company with excellent benefits. |
Too bad that in Korea, "for life" usually means forced retirement in the late 40's. And then what are you going to do? Open a hagwon?
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| Now let's consider a university job at 3.2 million won/month at 18 hours a week with two months' vacation a year (yes, they exist). That turns into 720 hours a year @ 57777won/hr. |
You are forgetting to include all those hours spent marking, editing, etc.. that go with a vast majority of Uni. jobs. Factoring in these delightful additions and your hourly wage drops to around the mid 30's/hr. I know, as I used to work in Universities, but I could no longer afford to, so I had to get out. |
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cisco kid
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: Outlaws had us pinned down at the fort
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| Too bad that in Korea, "for life" usually means forced retirement in the late 40's. And then what are you going to do? Open a hagwon? |
However, most Koreans network a LOT while they're inside the loop. When they retire in their late 40's or early 50's - they join smaller companies started by previous bosses that support the chaebol. It happens more than you would think. They still have all the connections with the few friends that made executive officer. These smaller companies provide a lot of the outsourced materials/services to the larger companies. |
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