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[michaelambling]

I'd like to compare what I've been offered by my university with other offers from other people teaching at universities, but I don't know if many would be willing to divulge such personal info.

Thoughts?

[Juregen]

If you need to compare, you didn't do your homework to begin with.

[PRagic]

5 contact hours a week but I'm supposed to publish at least one paper a year.

70 million won/year plus a 10 million won, no questions asked grant on the way in. 2 million won per year to attend conferences or workshops.

heavily subsidized large (45+ Pyoung) housing (which we won't use).

Compare away, OP, but it might help if you posted the terms of your contract, too.

[lebowski]

[DrunkenMaster]

He does not teach EFL.

[PRagic]

1) No, I do not teach English.

2) The OP asked for personal information and I provided it. Not rubbing anything in at all. To the contrary, I've been a long time strong proponent of bettering the employment pay and conditions for all foreign university teachers no matter the dicipline. However, I've also argued for the enactment of stricter employment guidelines and the need for better credentials for those who seek university employment.

3) Guess all viewing this thread are going to have to wait for the OP and others to chime in with their pay and conditions before any comparisons can be made.

[curlygirl]

Why not just look at the job listings for unis?

[lebowski]

[PRagic]

You 'assume' that the OP wants salaries for university ESL teachers, but why? The OP doesn't say that. Also, we have no idea as to the OP's level of education, so how do we know that he/she doesn't have a Ph.D. as well? And to be sure, I never said that I make a lot of money. I just answered the OP's question with honest information. Take it as you will. I can't be responsible for others' assumptions, opinions and perceptions.

ESL teaching salaries? My friends teaching ESL at universities are earning about 3.5-4.0+ a month, but few of them have (or want!) university housing. All receive fully paid summer and winter vacations with options to teach a class with overtime pay during one of the breaks.

[aka Dave]

Not all of us live in the rarefied air of the poster above me, but I do love my job.

28 million won per year, plus, probably about 6 millionish won in extra classes, of which this year there were a ton for me. I mean at least 8, and these mostly revolved around prepping teachers for the English teacher exam. I'm contracted for 15 hours a week but I ended up with 12 hours last semester with a the supplementals that I was actually paid for.

My school pays for the crappy apt. I live in, but they offered to upgrade it and I was too busy to bother with moving. I will move this month.

So, I don't make a lot of money, but my work is deeply rewarding, and I have a lot of time to work on other things I find just as interesting. At the moment I'm off until March.

[kiwiana]

With an MA (not in Uni hagwon):

Low end university job
6-18 contact hours per week
1.6-2.4 million won base + stipend/ free housing
Very low OT rate 7-15,000won/ hr
Less than 5 months paid vacation

High end university job
6-15 contact hours per week
3.0 million won base + stipend/ free housing
3.7 million won base (no housing)
High OT rate 35-50,000 won/ hr
Full 5 months paid vacation

Other factors include:
Flexibility to work legally in other places of employment
Ability to work OT if you want
Weekly schedule: three-day-a-week schedules are best
Daily schedule: Split shifts bad
Expectation to conduct extra activities for free
Efficiency of admin

[michaelambling]

[makemischief]

Simple answer: Most of the best jobs won't post on this site (a few will, but most won't). Almost all of them will post on the individual university websites. A few won't even do that (though if I am not mistaken they are supposed to post somewhere legally- could be wrong) and will just fill spots entirely through connections without ever posting anywhere.

[PRagic]

Word has it that some of the 'better schools' got so swamped with qualified applicants that a lot of MA holders didn't even get interviews.

Now, as the OP has a Ph.D., he/she has more freedom to choose depending, of course, on their primary dicipline. A lot of universities are hiring in busines, economics, sociology, linguistics, and education, and paying pretty well compared to most ESL slots. Depends on what you're looking for and how serious you can afford to be about saying no.

[michaelambling]