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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:05 am    Post subject: if YOU were in charge of your school's E program - Reply with quote

what's the first thing you would do?

I'd introduce more mulitmedia classes - music, movies, comic books, the works.

and I'd eliminate these stupid sentences the kids have to memorize every 6 weeks - they work on them w/the K Eng teacher - total waste of time.

I'd also require the K E teachers to attend E classes and improve their speaking ability through regular presentation practice, book reports and other professional development.

anyone else?
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was prepping my students for the last (interview) phase of the Korean teacher exam, asking them about how they'd lesson plan, etc.

Their responses were quite similar to your ideas. They're *big* on multimedia, and emphasize life long learning/development. All of them plan on going to grad school.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#1 I'd give myself a big fat raise Laughing no, seriously!
#2 Learn Korean and teach them English the way I learned other languages, by explaining in their own language, and if they had a question, they would be more encouraged to ask Idea
#3 Make English pass or fail (meaning they cant graduate unless they pass Twisted Evil )
#4 Have a program set up where the K-teacher would have to travel to an English-speaking country and be immersed there (may be spinning my wheels but it could work Wink )
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Seon-bee



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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more mulitmedia classes - music, movies, comic books, the works.


But what will you actually have students do with the music and movies that is productive? Don't they get enough of this garbage with Korea teachers who do the same, then leaving the room. The result is that students sleep or talk to each other in Korean about Star Craft, etc. Learning through osmosis isn't much of an IT upgrade.

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#3 Make English pass or fail

This raises the bar for idiots, but lowers the bar for those who make any genuine attempt. Sounds like a commie attitude.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seon-bee wrote:
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more mulitmedia classes - music, movies, comic books, the works.


But what will you actually have students do with the music and movies that is productive? Don't they get enough of this garbage with Korea teachers who do the same, then leaving the room. The result is that students sleep or talk to each other in Korean about Star Craft, etc. Learning through osmosis isn't much of an IT upgrade.



referring to Western films and music as "garbage" is part and parcel of the problem K students face when progressing in their E studies. Twisted Evil

there are many students who DO, in fact, wish to enjoy these various sources of E yet are discouraged from doing so - by K society at large.

as for seeing K teachers "do the same, then leaving the room" - I've never seen that or heard of it.

further - I've never seen an E comic book here either.

oh, btw, many teachers already use films as discussion subjects in their classrooms. I also use cartoons which are chock full of idioms, slang and other helpful phrases. unfortunately, I am limited in the use of these methods even tho students love them and do aquire something from their use.

it's common knowledge in fact that watching a soap opera in the language one is studying will help facilitate conversational skills in that language - so what's the problem??
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mnhnhyouh



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would reduce the daily vocab lists, and substitute them with sentences to memorize. This way they would at least know one way of using the word.

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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd make principals accountable for how the money is spent. No samgyeopsal parties using the foreign teacher budget.
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Seon-bee



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so what's the problem??


The problem is that the majority of my middle school students tell me about their English classes. From exam time until the end of the semester, the teacher often downloads movies so that they can kill time.

Movies are great if you're interested in the dialogue and make a conscious effort to pick something up. But, out of a class of 30 teenagers, how many really will? It's free time to read, chat in Korean, or sleep.

By garbage, I wasn't referring to Western film quality/content, but the frequent half-assed, unproductive, time-killing that goes on with movies in the classroom.

Done right, movies and music can be an effective source of input, but for too many learners, pressing the play button, and finally eject, is frivolous.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seon-bee wrote:

By garbage, I wasn't referring to Western film quality/content, but the frequent half-assed, unproductive, time-killing that goes on with movies in the classroom.

This sounds like you have a problem with the teaching method of an unqualified English teacher.


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This raises the bar for idiots, but lowers the bar for those who make any genuine attempt. Sounds like a commie attitude.

By raising the bar for idiots, that would push Koreans to take their NETs more seriously, wouldn't it? What is wrong with that? Idea
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
Seon-bee wrote:
Quote:
more mulitmedia classes - music, movies, comic books, the works.


But what will you actually have students do with the music and movies that is productive? Don't they get enough of this garbage with Korea teachers who do the same, then leaving the room. The result is that students sleep or talk to each other in Korean about Star Craft, etc. Learning through osmosis isn't much of an IT upgrade.



referring to Western films and music as "garbage" is part and parcel of the problem K students face when progressing in their E studies. Twisted Evil

there are many students who DO, in fact, wish to enjoy these various sources of E yet are discouraged from doing so - by K society at large.

as for seeing K teachers "do the same, then leaving the room" - I've never seen that or heard of it.

further - I've never seen an E comic book here either.

oh, btw, many teachers already use films as discussion subjects in their classrooms. I also use cartoons which are chock full of idioms, slang and other helpful phrases. unfortunately, I am limited in the use of these methods even tho students love them and do aquire something from their use.

it's common knowledge in fact that watching a soap opera in the language one is studying will help facilitate conversational skills in that language - so what's the problem??



There is an excellent(well, entertaining anyway) kids drama produced by samsung for teaching English....I'm not sure it does enough teaching, but it's awesome enough that my co-teacher throws it on TV whenever she doesn't feel like teaching.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are times in my classes if students are writing or doing other quiet work, I turn on jazz or other Western music just to expose them more to what our culture offers.

One of the reasons I, and other NETs wish to add more multimedia to the classroom is to encourage students to seek this out on their own.

I KNOW I'm not the only NET who quizzes students about how much exposure they receive to E outside the classroom only to hear - consistently - it is or almost nil.

another important facet of this - and I've stressed this to my superiors many times - is hearing just one native voice, and seeing just one native face just doesn't cut it -

they need to hear as many accents and ways of speaking as possible, not to mention these voices interacting in natural ways.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have the students learn reading, writing, listening and speaking. Not sure what they do the other 2 classes of the week but they can't make a sentence.

It's like they learn about the language rather than how to use the language.

This would be like a pilot learning everything about the plane but not being expected to fly.

Movies and youtube are great for teaching if you just use short clips to stimulate conversation. Also it helps if it is a topic they find interesting.

It is 2009 and people are still debating if multimedia is effective?

Getting students interested in english is more effective than trying to teach them about it.
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sobriquet



Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Location: Nakatomi Plaza

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would reduce the curriculum content to make it more manageable and spend more time on things like writing, especially for the teachers who cannot write a paragraph.

I would also fire most NET's until the Korean teachers were up to speed and doing their job correctly and had been on a Co-teaching course.

At the moment in most school's we are a waste of time.
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