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Giving Notice - Time required not mentioned in contract

 
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:23 am    Post subject: Giving Notice - Time required not mentioned in contract Reply with quote

I have a hagwon contract .. My contract makes no mention of teacher giving notice ... I think I have heard and or read here that Korean Labor law has a default position of 30 days notice needing to be given by a worker who wants to end the contract early ... Can anyone confirm whether this is the case OR what has been the situtation in their case (where their contract did not include a specific time frame?

If I give notice I would be leaving 2 months early ... I will be giving a true personal factors reason for leaving (and am not looking for any other job in Korea... so getting release is not an issue) ... though I could give lots of "work" reasons for leaving and the negative work reasons are a significant part of why I am prepared to give up severance and airfare ...

The "negative" work factors are significant enough that I want to at least be sure on my legal grounds for being able to give a months notice and get paid up until my final work day (without the specific mention in the contract .... it just has no mention of teacher giving notice at all) .... So if anyone can give me a written reference to the Koren labor law on notice periods I would appreciate it ...
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure I've read at least 100 posts on here that say if you give notice at a hagwon, you WON'T get your last paycheck (or only part of it).

If you don't want to work here again, just run.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can look at the lablr standards act here

http://english.molab.go.kr/english/main.jsp (Labor Law/ Labor Standards Act)

But you're not a slave. You can leave today if you want. Giving notice will usually just give your boss time to screw you over. Legally no one cares, certainly not immigration who will only want your arc card back.

Your boss isn't going to follow you to your home country and take you to court. If this is what you are worried about. Expect some irate emails, but that's it. Any contractual breach would stay under Korean jurisdiction and wouldn't be serious enough to stop you leaving the country.

Wait till pay day and run. If you feel guilty, leave a note and some vita500.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT to give notice to quit.

You are free to quit at any time.

In most hakwons if you give notice you CAN EXPECT to work your last month for free (they will screw you out of your last month's salary - in more than 7 years I have NOT heard of any exception to this).

IF you want to work again:
quit.
go to immigration and tell them that you quit.
GET AN EXIT ORDER (effectively canceling your visa).
find a new job.
Start the visa process all over again
Leave Korea (by the end of your exit order). Get your new visa.
Return.
Begin work.

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hari seldon



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Giving Notice - Time required not mentioned in contract Reply with quote

icicle wrote:
I have a hagwon contract .. My contract makes no mention of teacher giving notice ... I think I have heard and or read here that Korean Labor law has a default position of 30 days notice needing to be given by a worker who wants to end the contract early ... Can anyone confirm whether this is the case OR what has been the situtation in their case (where their contract did not include a specific time frame?

If I give notice I would be leaving 2 months early ... I will be giving a true personal factors reason for leaving (and am not looking for any other job in Korea... so getting release is not an issue) ... though I could give lots of "work" reasons for leaving and the negative work reasons are a significant part of why I am prepared to give up severance and airfare ...

The "negative" work factors are significant enough that I want to at least be sure on my legal grounds for being able to give a months notice and get paid up until my final work day (without the specific mention in the contract .... it just has no mention of teacher giving notice at all) .... So if anyone can give me a written reference to the Koren labor law onotice periods I would appreciate it ...
Is your employer paying you? Consider that he'll owe you thirteen months pay and airfare at the twelve month mark.

You're safe behind your anonymity here. Tell us, what issues are you dealing with?
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think part of my reason for trying for the months notice line is also that if they did not take it negatively ... And did pay me for that last month I would be one month pay better off ... I have a pay day of the 10th of the following month ... So that if I did leave straight after pay day I am still effectively 10 days pay out of pocket ... But that is still one of my options ... I just want to have enough time to have started the pension refund process while I am still in the country ... and my work hours make that impossible while I am still working ...

Part of the working til the end of the month (ie February) is that it is the end of the year for our Kindergarten classes ... and I would I think like to finish the year with them ... I guess even if I didn't end up getting paid for it ... (Still thinking about that one.)
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

icicle wrote:
I think part of my reason for trying for the months notice line is also that if they did not take it negatively ... And did pay me for that last month I would be one month pay better off ... I have a pay day of the 10th of the following month ... So that if I did leave straight after pay day I am still effectively 10 days pay out of pocket ... But that is still one of my options ... I just want to have enough time to have started the pension refund process while I am still in the country ... and my work hours make that impossible while I am still working ...

Part of the working til the end of the month (ie February) is that it is the end of the year for our Kindergarten classes ... and I would I think like to finish the year with them ... I guess even if I didn't end up getting paid for it ... (Still thinking about that one.)



A school that will cheat you when you leave early will probably cheat you even if you finish the contract. A school that will pay you everything you're due when you finish the contract will likely do the same if you leave early.

If you're getting your pension and health insurance, as you have indicated, you should talk to your boss, explain your reasons and give at least 30 days notice. Contrary to what the naysayers here have posted, most hogwan workers who have to leave early will get their correct pay according to the contract. When a good teacher has to leave and gives proper notice, it is standard policy at many good schools to get your severance and even your return airfare, prorated for the months you actually worked, if you stay until a new teacher arrives.
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enns



Joined: 02 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I agree with ontheway. I'm surprised ttompatz doesn't know anyone who has left with everything owed to them. I know a few people who left early and got everything that they were owed(also several people who got nothing). I have over 20 foreigners at my school, I'm sure if the school outright did not pay a teacher that there would be a riot.
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