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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| It was additional information to address any other denier canards that might crop up while also providing context. |
In other words, they were pre-packaged.  You anticipated 'denier canards' and were prepared in case any deniers happened to stumble along with any of their well-known canards
You have already said that you don't think I am a 'denier'. If that is the case, then why do you feel the need to do this, other than to implement what you (obviously knowingly) had prepared for these anticipated canards?
I tell you what, why don't you somewhere else to "address any other denier canards that might crop up while also providing context." I think I understand your motives. They're ugly. You can have the last word. I'm all done with you 
Next? Let's move on.
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Actually, you have insinuated that several times. Not me.
Here are the facts:
Mothra says he has been looking at the forum for two years (I believe him) but he never had a single question or comment that inspired him to register until he saw this thread. |
Correct. Your point?
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| He has never posted a single item on the site other than in this thread and he says he posted here to 'preempt any questions' I might have. |
Correct. Your point? Often times when discussing revisionism people will arrive at other talking points. It's really no surprise, because that's precisely what you've done. First you questioned the Auschwitz death toll. Then you questioned the rebuilt Krema. Then you questioned aerial photographs. Yet each step of the way I supplied you with ample resources for researching more of this. Now you're, uh, pointing out the fact that I've discussed the Holocaust on the Internet before. Aside from playing Captain Obvious and engaging in a little cyber-stalking, you've contributed nothing.
Nor have you been able to substantiate your claims, much less articulate your claims in coherent English. Your usage of the language suggests you may not be a native speaker, but be that as it may you've yet to provide evidence of how 1. smoke in the roughly one dozen extant aerial recon photos of Auschwitz changes anything 2. how the Auschwitz death toll is wrong and 3. how the Zykon levels as found in the Krakow Institute for Forensic Research's report support your thesis that, uh, what is your thesis, anyway?
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| His online footprint points to more than one discussion on the topic |
It's true! I have posted in more than one: two, if you don't count this one.
What's your point, again?
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He says this was to 'preempt' any questions I might have.
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It was additional information to address any other denier canards that might crop up while also providing context.
And to whom it may concern: The Kremas in Birkenau -- the Todeslager section of Auschwitz-Birkenau -- were both gas chamber and crematorium s under one roof. I think the confusion arises in that the German Krema in this case doesn't refer explicitly to a crematorium. The gassing room would be called the Vergassunskeller.
edit: Here is a thread about ESL I posted in while I was waiting for Dave Sperling to activate my account here. I could also make a screenshot of when I created the text document "denialism" (Jan. 20, while waiting) to show you that it was not pre-packaged. But again, you can just google any phrase you wish as another poster suggested. As a former copy editor, I know that's a great way to check for a plagiarizing writer.
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2772532&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=49 |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Typo 
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| biggest ass kicking on the current events forum. Junior/Rapier no longer has the disgrace of being #1. Way to knock him down to #2 Trevor. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Not the classiest surrender I've seen....
Remember these gems from page 1?
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riverboy wrote:
Good luck on this one Trevor. Many innocent people were indeed killed in the Holoco$t and the survivors are doing the same to the Palestinians.
You are about to get a new arsehole ripped.
Trevor wrote:
 I think I can handle it. |
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Ilsanman wrote:
I posted about this a few years ago and got called an anti-semetic, among other things. Don't even bother. People don't want the truth. They want to go through life being lemmings.
Trevor wrote:
Let me show you how it's done, son.
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Ahhh....the heady days of yore! |
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MothraAttack
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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You have already said that you don't think I am a 'denier'. If that is the case, then why do you feel the need to do this, other than to implement what you (obviously knowingly) had prepared for these anticipated canards? |
Because you've cited Holocaust deniers since the OP.
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| In other words, they were pre-packaged. |
I wrote them in anticipation of other subjects arising. It was you who was linking Arthur Butz, known Holocaust denier, in the OP.
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| I think I understand your motives. They're ugly. You can have the last word. |
I provided countless resources on the Holocaust, transcribed quotes from books, and showed you how historiography works and how it was applied to the Holocaust. I even gave you a link to the forum where people -- surprise -- argue about the Holocaust. Because there is legitimate debate. But here's a hint: it's not coming from Arthur Butz.
You failed, after multiple requests, to furnish evidence of your claims regarding Auschwitz. I'm still unclear about this.
You searched my username through other forums in some weird attempt to undermine me (?). I'm still unclear about this.
Let's not forget the light-hearted portrayal you delivered about the NS state's largest camp:
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A Wermacht general files a complaint (to the Reich, I assume) about smoke from burning bodies ten miles away? Something like this? "Hey, you guys. Stop burning them bodies ten miles away. My men are having sinus problems and I have a Wermacht to run!"
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That is giving off a lot of smoke! It looks like they are burning a few dozen or so bodies. Okay, only 900,000 to go!
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But wait, wait! Isn't this the innocent trevor? The one who said:
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I have met survivors myself -- seen their tattoos. I KNOW there was a holocaust. I also know that the historical record needs to remain open. I am not 'making light' of the holocaust. |
So let's get this straight. You've met survivors. You are not 'making light' of anything. Yet you make snide remarks about burning corpses and make a joke about sinus problems and the stench of corpses.
The icing on the cake?
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During the Holocaust, concentration camp prisoners received tattoos only at one location, the Auschwitz concentration camp complex. |
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007056 |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Let's see, you scoured nineteen pages in the hopes of finding something damning in my posts; found nothing but evidence of my dark sense of humour (oh horrors)  and then, for lack of any decent material, made up a quote (below) which you clearly attributed to me and which I never even said anything that vaguely resembled it.
Way to get me to address you after I ditched you. Now go punch yourself in the numchucks, Mothra. Hard. You see the thing about online forums is your credibility is a very delicate thing. Slander, such as below, will completely anihilate it.
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During the Holocaust, concentration camp prisoners received tattoos only at one location, the Auschwitz concentration camp complex. |
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007056[/quote] |
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MothraAttack
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Let's see, you scoured nineteen pages in the hopes of finding something damning in my posts; found nothing but evidence of my dark sense of humour (oh horrors) Laughing and then, for lack of any decent material, made up a quote (below) which you clearly attributed to me and which I never even said anything that vaguely resembled it.
Way to get me to address you after I ditched you. Now go punch yourself in the numchucks, Mothra. Hard. You see the thing about online forums is your credibility is a very delicate thing. Slander, such as below, will completely anihilate it.
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During the Holocaust, concentration camp prisoners received tattoos only at one location, the Auschwitz concentration camp complex. |
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That's the first sentence of the link.
The 'icing on the cake' is that you made fun of Auschwitz victims while claiming to have met people who were ostensibly Auschwitz survivors.
Any reasonable person can readily tell that it's not your quote.
Once again proving that you have not even bothered to read what I've said, from the links on the Auschwitz death toll to the copious documents of the Krema capacity to the weird assumption that I was an ESL teacher after openly saying I was not.
Also, recheck your definition of slander. It's not what you think it is.
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Oh, I beg your pardon. There was no way, by the manner you cited the quote-of-a-quote to distinguish it from the two previous quotations you cited of me, directly. Check your Chicago Manual of Style (or any authoritative reference on citations) for further information.
I will ask you politely to please refrain from slander or other egregious misrepresentations we have exhausted our discussion, Mothra. Go talk to Khyber. He's a wonderful fellow.
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Let's see, you scoured nineteen pages in the hopes of finding something damning in my posts; found nothing but evidence of my dark sense of humour (oh horrors) Laughing and then, for lack of any decent material, made up a quote (below) which you clearly attributed to me and which I never even said anything that vaguely resembled it.
Way to get me to address you after I ditched you. Now go punch yourself in the numchucks, Mothra. Hard. You see the thing about online forums is your credibility is a very delicate thing. Slander, such as below, will completely anihilate it.
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During the Holocaust, concentration camp prisoners received tattoos only at one location, the Auschwitz concentration camp complex. |
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That's the first sentence of the link.
The 'icing on the cake' is that you made fun of Auschwitz victims while claiming to have met people who were ostensibly Auschwitz survivors.
Any reasonable person can readily tell that it's not your quote.
Once again proving that you have not even bothered to read what I've said, from the links on the Auschwitz death toll to the copious documents of the Krema capacity to the weird assumption that I was an ESL teacher after openly saying I was not.
Also, recheck your definition of slander. It's not what you think it is.
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ED209
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:30 am Post subject: |
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I will ask you politely to please refrain from slander or other egregious misrepresentations we have exhausted our discussion, Mothra. Go talk to Khyber. He's a wonderful fellow. |
I think you mean libel. This is what Mothra was pointing out.
The quote thing was obviously not quoting you. So please get over it. You could also learn a little bit about quoting etiquette by using the 'reply' button instead of repeatedly quoting what the previous poster has said.
Mothra, thank you for sharing your in depth knowledge on this subject. Unfortunately Trevor isn't just misinformed he is trying to scrap back some shred of dignity for his damaged ego. He will continue to hand wave and whack-a-mole his way through this thread. In doing this he only pushes himself into a corner where he'll be unable to ever accept anything you say. If he wasn't a denier when this thread started he is now. |
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Trevor
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. |
Although, yes, libel is the more accurate definition, the regulations of this forum (erroneously) use the word slander. For the sake of consistency I have used the same terminology as those regulations.
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| Also, recheck your definition of slander. It's not what you think it is. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| Then you should sue. |
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Trevor
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:09 am Post subject: |
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Ick. Flamebait. Pure and simple. 
This thread is getting pretty seedy....I've basically tried to stay on the high road, I think. Ego? My ego says this is turning into a roach motel. Time to find more interesting people to talk to somewhere else.
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| Trevor isn't just misinformed he is trying to scrap back some shred of dignity for his damaged ego. He will continue to hand wave and whack-a-mole his way through this thread. In doing this he only pushes himself into a corner where he'll be unable to ever accept anything you say. If he wasn't a denier when this thread started he is now. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:51 am Post subject: |
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Is there a word for a person who is completely full of shit, yet fully believes s/he is the only one making a reasonable, logical argument, even when proven otherwise? If not, I think we have ourselves a new word for this forum.
edit: really poor grammar
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MothraAttack
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Trevor wrote: |
.I've basically tried to stay on the high road, I think.
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| Now go punch yourself in the numchucks, Mothra. Hard. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I think I have achieved enough with this thread. It has clearly devolved into a sludgefest and those who are left in the discussion -- let�s just say that the half-dozen left are not exactly Dave�s best and brightest. We�re close to twenty pages here and, going forward, I don�t think anyone in the present company is going to say anything that�s worth listening to. I�m going to end my participation here and I won�t be checking it again. PM me if you wish.
To the current posters looking on: there seems to be a lot of anger and jealousy (anger + jealousy = flamebait) over the fact that someone has an opinion that you don�t want them to be able to express. I have learned a lot about this and will be able to use it later. You are upset that I have held my own rather impressively over about a dozen of you for the past twenty pages � an achievement that none of you have the ability to ever match, no matter how hard you try. I could go on for another twenty pages if I wished (something none of you left are capable of) but frankly there is no one here who has said anything of value in several pages, and unless I want to listen to one-size-fits-all ADL boilerplate (which was informative, although misplaced and generic) it doesn�t make sense to spend any more time here in the present company.
Feel free to flame on amongst yourselves of course, and thanks to the many who made worthwhile contributions earlier on. |
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