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On the other hand
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 Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: Brits on Titanic behaved better than Yanks |
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British passengers on board the sinking Titanic died while politely queuing to get their place on a lifeboat, while Americans pushed their way on, according to new analysis of passenger data.
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds about right. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Meanwhile, the British stocked the lifeboats, and, of course, built and captained the ship... |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Meanwhile, the British stocked the lifeboats, and, of course, built and captained the ship... |
Gopher:
I assume you're saying that we can draw unflattering conclusions about the Brits from the fact that they couldn't build and steer a ship properly? If so, I don't know if that's the same thing as someone actually knowing that the ship is going down, and making a deliberate effort to get himself on the lifeboat before other people. The designers and navigators were incompetent; the me-first crowd on the lifeboats were immoral.
All that said, I don't know how much we can conclude from results like this. We don't know, for example, if the orderly Brits were thinking "I'd better wait in line patiently, so that the weaker passengers can get on first", or if they were thinking "I'd better wait in line patiently, because that's what the captain said to do".
I've also read studies showing that American donate more blood than Canadians do(this is excluding paid donations). Don't know how much I would generalize from that either. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ha ha ha,
OTOH is startin' shit. |
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NoExplode
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Brits on Titanic behaved better than Yanks |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
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British passengers on board the sinking Titanic died while politely queuing to get their place on a lifeboat, while Americans pushed their way on, according to new analysis of passenger data.
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Survival of the fittest. Now I know why there's no British Empire anymore. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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On the Other Hand: I have engaged in nationalistic-essentialist arguments with others here before, mostly for the fun of causing some Canadians and Western Europeans pain and suffering -- never because I actually believe in them.
This represents the first time I recall your initiating something along these lines. Do you truly believe that "British" people behave more morally correct than "Americans" in a crisis...? |
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michaelambling
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Meanwhile, the British stocked the lifeboats, and, of course, built and captained the ship... |
By "British" of course you mean Northern Irish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
I'm sure the Brits did behave better on the Titanic...congratulations to your forefathers. BTW, kudos on that whole Battle of Agincourt--you guys rock.  |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you truly believe that "British" people behave more morally correct than "Americans" in a crisis...? |
In answer to your question, I'll re-post what I wrote in my second entry on the thread...
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All that said, I don't know how much we can conclude from results like this. We don't know, for example, if the orderly Brits were thinking "I'd better wait in line patiently, so that the weaker passengers can get on first", or if they were thinking "I'd better wait in line patiently, because that's what the captain said to do".
I've also read studies showing that American donate more blood than Canadians do(this is excluding paid donations). Don't know how much I would generalize from that either. |
You could probably classify me as agnotic leaning toward skeptical about any hard conclusions someone may draw from this data. |
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Not to start a firestorm or anything but could you imagine if it were Koreans (particularly a gaggle of ajummas) lining up?  |
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ED209
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| That movie would have been much better if Jack just pushed Rose into the water. I'm sure her excess body fat would have allowed both of them to survive. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| They should have just plugged the hole with her. I'll always hate that movie just for all the fiddle dee fiddle dum irish people on board. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Not to start a firestorm or anything but could you imagine if it were Koreans (particularly a gaggle of ajummas) lining up? |
They would have had on all the appropriate clothing to climb the iceberg, that is for sure. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| Not to start a firestorm or anything but could you imagine if it were Koreans (particularly a gaggle of ajummas) lining up? |
The communal cries of 춥다 would be enough for me to give up my life boat seat. |
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ontheway
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The ship was full of wood, and kegs that would float if emptied. There was plenty of time to throw together rafts of various types that could have supported hundreds of people until help arrived. And there were plenty of skilled working class individuals locked below decks who could have and would have quickly and ingeneously designed and built such craft.
The captain was an idiot, whatever his nationality. |
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