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especially "early Zionists", ie referring to those who pushed for an Israeli state before there was one.

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Just out of interest, I did a search on Big_Bird posts (not the default topics) containing the word "zionist". There were only 36 of them spanning several years. This is post number 37.

I clicked on a few and the word "zionist" mostly appeared in other poster's text that I was quoting, or text I'd cut and pasted, or once when I was typing a translation of what your favourite Iranian was saying. So it is a word I've rarely used myself on this forum, and the evidence is there at the touch of a few keystrokes. Very amused I was.

In other words Steve, you've been fantasising about me way too much!

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Israel would not go for any state where the current Israelies didnt have a majority.

This is why the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza have not been made part of Israel proper. If they were, then all those who live there would be able to vote in the Israeli elections, and more of them would be muslims than jews.

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Joo, do you understand the concept of a proxy militia?

Let me detail a hypothetical scenario, and see how we can apply the logic from it to the Sabra and Chatilla masacre.

Imagine Mr Smith gets on his mobile phone, and invites Mr Jones (a known killer and rapist and all round psychopath) to meet him. Smith seals off the house of a small family, and waits for Jones. Meanwhile, he prevents the family from leaving the house. When his friend Jones arrives, he opens the door and lets him inside. Jones proceeds to terrorise the family for 2 days. All the time, Mr Smith is looking through the window, and when the terrified family members try to flee, Smith forces them at gunpoint to return to the house. At night, it is a little difficult for Jones to see, so Smith shines a torch through the window so that Mr Jones can continue to rape and terrorise and kill the family. Finally, after a certain amount of peer pressure (his friends are voicing their disapproval - the screams of dying children too much for neighbours to bear) Mr Smith tells his friend Jones to stop the raping killing and torture, and to vacate the premises.

Now, can I ask you, is Mr Smith innocent? Sure, Mr Jones did all the killing and raping, and Mr Smith did not partipate other than to seal the house off, invite his friend, and shine a torch at night to help his friend continue his barbarity. If you can show me Mr Smith is in no way responsible, then perhaps you can persuade me that Sharon and IDF were not responsible for what happened at Sabra and Chatilla.

Lets see. America brokered a deal that had the PLO agreeing to leave Beirut. In return, the PLO had been assured that the Palestinian civillians in the refugee camp would not be harmed. The IDF rocked in, and broke their agreement. They circled the camps and sealed them off. Then they called the Phalangists, and waited for the Christian militias (who had a horrible and well known reputation for barbarism) to arrive. When they came, the IDF opened up he camps and let them in, without allowing civillians out. The IDF looked down and watched women children and the elderly being raped and mutilated and killed. It was a horrific scene. I've seen photos of the carnage. Fucking horrible. Murdered civillians, including little bloodied babies strewn all over the floor like garbage. Not killed by bombs, but killed up close. Really fucking horrible. It went on for 2 days. Civillians continually begged the IDF to let them out. The IDF refused them exit (whole families, begging for their lives) forcing them to remain in their cage to be raped, mutilated, massacred and the most horrific fashion. At night, the IDF lit the camps up with flares, to enable the militia to continue with its grisly work. Time was of the essense, I suppose. The IDF famously supplied the Christian militia with bulldozers to help them dispose of bodies. In the end, after the media started making a big fuss, Reagan had to get on the phone and call Sharon and ask him to end it - he was embarrassing America. Sharon gave the militias a few more hours to continue with the job. Israel's Cheif of staff even infamously congratulated the Phalangists on a job well done.

Even Israel's own investigation (whitewash that it was) found Ariel Sharon responsible for the masacres.

So my question to you Joo is: If I arrange and pay for a KNOWN psychopath WITH A HIDEOUS TRACK RECORD to enter into your family home, and merely prevent them leaving (while not participating directly in the violence) while I watch the horror show through the window, occasionally passing him tools to assist his work, or shining a light to help him see at night, am I somehow then innocent of the crime?


{to those who also read that other site - yes, I cut and paste one of my earlier posts - why bother to write it again from scratch?}

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Here is a poet's account of Sabra and Chatillia:

�By flares bright lights at Sabra and Shatilla�

John Ishmael

For the heavens above and the hell below
Flares bright lights shot by the moral IDF,
Glowing on eviscerations, castrations, rapes
By our allies the Arab Phalange,
Goyim chosen for genocides
Washing massacred, unarmed Arabs blood off our hands.

Christian Phalange trained and paid by the IDF,
Just Arabs killing Arabs as you would expect
From the children of Ishmael
Who stole our Divine inheritance including our lands
Filled with oil, water and fruit
That is rightfully ours, Eretz Yisrael.

By our flares bright lights.
Camps sealed by the wall of moral IDF tanks
Forcing fleeing naked women, and screaming children,
Back to the hell of the camps,
�You shall not pass!�
Our moral IDF tanks, are sealing your camps.
Lit by flares bright lights of moral IDF,
Go back to hell, make peace with our allies Phalange.

Take your time, we have all the time,
Waiting in our moral IDF tanks
Sealing your camps for our allies Phalange,
Just goyim like you,
Not Chosen and moral as we set off our flares,
For the heavens above, mind you,
Not for the slaughterhouse hell of our allies Phalange.

Sharon and Eitan knew not of Arab Phalange,
our allies Phalange, Christian Phalange,
working their genocide in the Palestinian camps of Beirut,
ringed by the steel wall of our IDF tanks,
Keeping the Arabs like drugged cockroaches in a bottle;
We are tidy as Heaven - if we believed in Heaven�s mirage -
our Christian Phalange our allies Phalange
are untidy and dirty as you-know-who are
so we gave them body bags by the thousands
for the good work they will do on the cockroaches in their lairs
locked up within the steel wall of our IDF tanks.

We loaned IDF bulldozers for our allies Phalange
to erase the evidence their cockroach removal will create;
Ariel �Bulldozer� Sharon well earned his name
from other moral removal of cockroach women, children and men.
As he waged war for eretz Yisrael
Wresting it from the cockroaches and snakes
Who wave their anti-semitic house keys and dirty land deeds
for our houses they claim as they scurry around their dirty camps
Sabra and Shatilla in Lebanon truly a part of Eretz Yisrael.

We in our moral IDF tanks, a wall of steel
ringing the nests of the cockroach Palestinians below,
Waiting two days for the end when the goyim Phalange
Will report to Arik Bulldozer Sharon who says to Amos Oz:
�The dirty work of Zionism is not yet done, far from it,�
and to our Israeli hero Rafael Eitan who smiling, sneers
�Arabs will scurry around,
Like drugged cock roaches in a bottle.�

So if eviscerations and rapes visited Sabra and Shatilla,
Under flares bright lights shot upward to heaven by moral IDF
Then blame goyim Phalange, Arab Phalange;
We sent in our allies the Christian Phalange, the Arab Phalange
Armed with their weapons and our moral admonitions,
To remember the standards of our moral invasion,
To use the body bags we supplied for cleaning the garbage
Not for bodies of Palestinian refugees who abandoned their homes,
who fled from their lands to make way for the Rightful Owners of yore.

We lit the heaven not your goyim hell, with flares bright lights
Sent upward by the moral IDF and their chosen crews.
What could we the IDF know?
The women�s� cries could well have been,
Arabs ululating in their primitive joy.
How would we know of eviscerations or rapes?
The cries of the boys could have been,
From some hellish Arab ritual,
How could we know of castrations and rapes
As we lit the camps for two nights, ringed by the wall of IDF tanks?


We have read the reports, the anti-semitic reports,
Of flares from the moral IDF painting the the sight
Of little Arab girls being fucked by our Allies Phalange,
Before the eyes of their moms and grans were gouged
Sparing the sight of the eviscerations and sodomies
Of little boys penises sliced off and stuffed.
But Judge Kahan has said, it was the Christian Phalange,
Though Ariel Sharon bore personal responsibility
our beloved Arik Sharon is free from Appendix �B�
To live and to bulldoze more death to cockroaches and snakes
who would stay and infest the land of Ertez Yisrael,

The goyim Phalange, for two days and nights,
By our flares bright lights, within the ring of moral IDF tanks,
Could merely have been cleansing
some of Israel's most wanted
Of the 9 million Palestinians wanted worldwide
For crimes against Zion,
For daring to recall names of their villages
Now back in our hands as God long wanted,
For showing keys to locks long changed
Keys that mean anti-Semitic hate
Of a people who want to return to these �homes�
Now occupied by their rightful owners of 2,500 years past.

These anti-Semitic memories of homes long lost,
As our God says take their land, take their homes,
Grow fat on their property,
�We shall live by the sweat of nations�
as our rabbis teach us to take Palestinian harvests, our Right;
And soon we will go for the oil of the Ismaelites
Isaacs� rightful inheritance.

The Jewish state has no blood on its hands.
Its morality is known to the Heavens
And to the Hell of the Camps
At Sabra and Shatilla,
Where our allies the Phalange
Acted like goyim to goyim
So what do you expect
And blame us not.

Our IDF flares lit up the camps, our IDF tanks ringed the camps,
A wall of steel, manned by moral IDF tank crews
Fleeing naked women and screaming children,
Begging moral IDF lads for Arab life,
�You shall not pass!�
Our orders are that you scuttle back to your lairs and nests
Under the light of our IDF flares
And make your peace with our allies Phalange;
As Katsav has said on Canada�s soil
� �Each Palestinian baby when he is born
suckles hate from his mother�s milk�.

We were raised on this cultural taxonomy
And will do what it takes, not from a culture of hate,
To prevent cockroaches and snakes from wanting to Return
To olive groves their say their forefathers planted
a thousand years before,
for every Israeli child knows even before he suckles his milk
that this was a �Land without People for a People without land�,
And Arik Sharon and Rafael Eitan, and Amir Drori and Menachem Navot
know how to cleanse our land of cockroaches and snakes.

We hired the Phalange, our allies Phalange,
Goyim on goyim at Sabra and Shatilla,
We gave them body bags and IDF bulldozers;
We trained our allies the Christian Phalange,
To be moral and tidy but what do you expect,
From goyim on goyim;
But there is no blood on IDF hands
For Sabra and Shatilla for Sabra and Chatilla,
nor for all our many massacres
for we investigate ourselves and duly find us moral and right
and no goy has the right to judge a Jew or the Jewish state.
The moral IDF has no Muslim blood on its hands
except those that we have rightfully killed
infant or not.


If the time does come for our Bulldozer Arik to be King of Israel
He knows what he wants and is experienced as hell
In cleansing cockroaches and vermin from our rightful Land
As Chief Rabbi, Mordehai Eliahu has taught from our holy texts
�We shall inherit the labour of nations�
And we were chosen to be a Light unto those benighted nations.

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http://www.ishmael.ca/POETRY-JOHN-ISHMAEL.html

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