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Biracial children shunned by classmates
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NaD00D00



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Gimpo

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with anyone who's stated something to divert the issue towards the big picture.

This crap happens everywhere.

I'm half & half, and I've experienced this kind of treatment in both Korean and US Public schools. So it really bothers me when people try and use US schools as examples of how things are better...

They aren't. Not by a long-shot.
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flakfizer



Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd thought about responding to this OP for a while, but didn't. Most everything has been covered, but there is one more thing that concerns me.
First, I read several on here who talked about how their kid was actually treated quite well and was popular (Hanson comes to mind because I believe his kid is about the same age as mine). My son also has been going to kindie and is treated well and somewhat popular. But the article is not about kindie kids, it's about older kids. I would not expect kindie kids to display many prejudices yet.
But here is my concern: It does not surprise that biracial or even plain old foreign kids can be popular, as long as they talk/think/act like Koreans. Koreans love foreigners or foreign-looking poeple who praise Korea and are seemingly Koreanized. I'm concerned that my son will be conditioned to act and think Korean more and more so as to be better liked. My son has already heard at kindie that the Japanese are not good and that he should avoid using Japanese words like "o-deng." Just the other day, while we watched TV during the Lunar New Year, some foreign women were dancing in Hanbok to the Wonder Girls. My wife and I were commenting on them (their appearances and dancing). My son chimed in when they showed an Asian woman and asked, "Is she Korean?" My wife said that she was and my son said, "I like her because she is Korean." I talked to him about this later and asked where he got the idea that he should choose who he likes based on nationality (of course, I knew already where he got such an idea).
I'm not worried about my kid's feelings as much as I am his thinking. Korea has such an us-versus-them mentality. I don't want my kid to warp himself trying to be accepted as "one of us."
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strange_brew



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:
I have a 2 year old and I do worry about these things, but I am not going to move my family, as I really doubt it will even be a concern. In my 7 years here, I have never experienced any form of racism or bias against me, so I doubt my son will have a horrible time. In fact, as others have mentioned, my son gets too much positive attention. In his kindie., he clearly gets preferential treatment from the teachers and he is the center of his class.

Typhoon, you do have the option of sending your child to an International School, don't you?

Ultimately, I don't think we can ever really protect our children from the realities of this world, as much as we may try.

In my case, my son flourishes here, so why would I move him?


Your son is 2 years old and you are sending him to kindergarten? I hope this isn't one of the types where they teach him classes, rather, just let him play and be a kid.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the racist A hole said originally:
the_wicker_man wrote:
Hi - I have problems with this discussion. I feel it is very low quality. If you feel a need to assuage my feelings or perhaps you are curious why my opinion is so low, PM me and I will give you instructions.

Regards,

wicker

What the racist A hole really meant:
the_wicker_man wrote:
Hi - I have problems. I feel very low. You need to assuage my feelings and my opinion. Don't PM me and I won't waste your time.

F*ck you,

wicker
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won't post this persons PM as I'm not sure if that violates the TOS for the board? Here is another gem from this individual:

Quote:

Hi - Hitler's popularity is rising again and not because of "hate" that has become bread and butter to Liberals, its because of Eastern Europe's retaliation against Russia. The Third Reich is popular in Eastern nations because they did more to drive out the Soviets than The West did.

During Stalin's rule, millions of ethnic Russians were sent to satellite countries to foster loyalty to Moscow in those areas. After the Wall fell, the Russians that went south returned but the ones that went west to the Baltics et al are still there and they are still loyal to Moscow. These people are an occupying non-combatant force and considered immigrants. Being so, the West will not help yet again.

Yes, A. Hitler is a real hero to some for good reasons.

Further, I have read dozens if not hundreds of essays by liberals attesting to the destruction and death caused by religion yet children with names like Jesus, Christina and Mohammed are not taken from their homes.

The agency went too far.

wicker


http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1941911&highlight=#1941911

Back on topic and thanks wicker for bringing me around to seeing what my real problem with Willies OP was.

Korean "racism" for the most part can be attributed to ignorance. The vast majority of Koreans that have prejudices against foreigners have never met one. The majority of Koreans that have met foreigners do not harbor prejudices and the numbers go down even further if the Korean has spent any time overseas.

The OP does not have the luxury of that excuse. She posted the article to start this thread with the intent of showing how backward and F'd up Korea is, a classic "We are better than you." argument. What is not racist about that?

The fact of the matter is racism is everywhere, as wicker man reminded me. Given the choice, I'll take the environment here as opposed to there.

I still feel the article posted by the OP shows that Korea has a self awareness about its rapidly changing demographic and is taking steps to move in the right direction.

Again I ask the OP, if you were not just pointing out that your country is superior to Korea, then what was the purpose of the post?
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flakfizer



Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:

The OP does not have the luxury of that excuse. She posted the article to start this thread with the intent of showing how backward and F'd up Korea is, a classic "We are better than you." argument. What is not racist about that?

Who is the "we" in that sentence? Is it a race?
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meangradin



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Your son is 2 years old and you are sending him to kindergarten? I hope this isn't one of the types where they teach him classes, rather, just let him play and be a kid.


Yeah, it's for mostly social reasons as he is an only child; however, he does receive some Mandarin tutelage.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe this is because Koreans have difficulty understanding those that are different from themselves. I recall reading a few articles about this written by Koreans in the past.
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travel zen



Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that Korea has a long way to go.

I'd NEVER bring up my child in that system - only to be beaten and abused, even by the teachers! That is far worse in Korea than in the West. The laws in Korea wouldn't recognise a lot of problems that it would in the West.

Pure Blood ? Wow. Someone dig up Hitler !
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Zantetsuken



Joined: 21 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have half-korean kids here...and if any other Korean kid here picked on them or tried to bully them just because they weren't 100% Korean I'd have them break that kid's jaw. I'll teach them to put foot to ass when it comes time. Then if the parents have a problem with that..I'll straighten them out too. Of course one thing I know is that Koreans in general are afraid of direct confrontation and will always back down when confronted with a real threat. So honestly I am not too worried about my kids being picked on. I can relax knowing that the average Korean is a coward.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
Goku, you're giving Koreans more credit than they deserve. In the USA, diversity education is started at very young ages- uh, on educational TV shows like "Sesame Street" and other shows.
In Korea? The "educational" TV show for preschoolers is a fart monster. Rolling Eyes


Then, in the US, diversity is promoted in many ways, IN SCHOOL. In fact, there's so much "diversity education" that kids usually get sick of it.

In Korea? None at all. What diversity programs are done in Korean schools? Anything? I haven't seen anything, yet. Ask the many public school teachers on this board if their schools ever do anything to promote "diversity." The white dude in the "English Zone" typically IS the de facto "diversity trainer" in the Korean public schools.

Oh, and your "racial makeup of the US" numbers don't tell the whole story as almost everyone works or lives around racial minorities, including Korean-Americans. Not so, in Korea.


That's not always true, though. I'm sure in some big US cities that can qualify as a melting pot, there is lots of diversity talk in elementary schools. It's because it's needed--there are lots of minorities. What about the areas, like large pockets of the midwest, where there are very few minorities compared to just caucasians? I don't think those towns and cities find it as necessary to preach about diversity since it isn't a diverse area. Where I grew up, minorities made up 5% of the population and the other 95% was white. Needless to say, I didn't have diversity beaten over my head in school--why would I? Nearly everyone was white. Because of it, you'd hear students get away with racial slurs that would definitely NOT go unchecked in a mixed-ethnicity environment. There weren't a lot of people who chided them because...it was accepted. I *AM* from a state that is heavily pro-Confederacy and you hear enough crap to make you sick. Maybe some caucasian Americans here don't realize what that's like.


I hope, as Korea becomes slowly more diversified, they take more visible and honest steps towards bringing diversity to light in their school system.
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Cerriowen



Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Location: Pocheon

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK so I have a question...

I plan on having a baby with a korean man, and while there's no way in hell I'm sending our kid to public school... what about some place like Thailand?

Does anyone know if they're going to get the same racial discrimination in thailand (as a half korean half white kid) as they do here???
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the_wicker_man



Joined: 14 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi - I'm on the side of redneck and bigots. I think they are good because they are honest. The anti's are weaselly and dishonest.

When I see a White man with an Asian woman, I see a man that made a deliberate decision to bypass Black females for women that are more physically appealing. They acted with skin color in mind and yet they demand to treated as some anti racist crusader and to be given credit due. I never give any.

This xenophobia-name-calling thing is extortion racket isn't it? The anti's just publicly blackmail people with bully names. The problem with these claims is that there are no objective standards of xenophobia and worse, these objective standards aren't applied equally to all nations and cultures to determine how they measure against it. Its just extortion.

The antis are commies. They want Korea's stuff (money), they move reliable voters in with promises of looted goods and viola, power!

Show me omnidirectional human movement, then you might have a case. Until then its just "I want your stuff and until I get it, I'm going to call you names".

I'm willing to have a mature discussion about these matters and if you want me, PM me for details.

wicker
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_wicker_man wrote:
Hi - I'm on the side of redneck and bigots. I think they are good because they are honest. The anti's are weaselly and dishonest.

When I see a White man with an Asian woman, I see a man that made a deliberate decision to bypass Black females for women that are more physically appealing. They acted with skin color in mind and yet they demand to treated as some anti racist crusader and to be given credit due. I never give any.


What are you going on about? Someon marries an Asian and you know for sure they acted with 'skin color in mind'? Mind proving that?

And how in the world does someone bypass black women to get to Asian??


Let me guess, you've recently been banned from AsiaFinest and are trying to play around over here (?)
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SHANE02



Joined: 04 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_wicker_man wrote:
Hi - I'm on the side of redneck and bigots. I think they are good because they are honest. The anti's are weaselly and dishonest.

When I see a White man with an Asian woman, I see a man that made a deliberate decision to bypass Black females for women that are more physically appealing. They acted with skin color in mind and yet they demand to treated as some anti racist crusader and to be given credit due. I never give any.

This xenophobia-name-calling thing is extortion racket isn't it? The anti's just publicly blackmail people with bully names. The problem with these claims is that there are no objective standards of xenophobia and worse, these objective standards aren't applied equally to all nations and cultures to determine how they measure against it. Its just extortion.

The antis are commies. They want Korea's stuff (money), they move reliable voters in with promises of looted goods and viola, power!

Show me omnidirectional human movement, then you might have a case. Until then its just "I want your stuff and until I get it, I'm going to call you names".

I'm willing to have a mature discussion about these matters and if you want me, PM me for details.

wicker


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