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My viability as English teacher in Seoul, Korea

 
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BackToKorea



Joined: 25 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject: My viability as English teacher in Seoul, Korea Reply with quote

Hi guys.

This is a great site. I read some of the comment but I would like to ask you guys again whether I could make living out of teaching English in Korea.

About myself.

I'm 43 year old male, born and raised in Seoul, Korea (Yes, I'm Korean native), moved to the US in 1989, and have been living Los Angeles, CA since then. I'm an software engineer, got my BS degree in computer science, worked nine years for one of the most prominent computer software/hardware company in the world, and recently got laid-off. Crying or Very sad, and no teaching experience at all.

Now I'm thinking to get MA degree in TESOL either here in the US or in London, UK. And go back to Korea to teach English.

As you can see, my English writing is, uhmm.., not so good. Speaking, well, let's put it this way. I did take speech articulation class in community college, and people around me at work had no problem understanding me. Reading, I read technology articles and specifications without any problem. As far as listening is concerned, my favorite TV programs are CNBC money news and CNN.


Question:
What do you think? Will I be viable in teaching English in long term?

Thanks.
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sarbonn



Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Michigan

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your credentials indicate you'll probably have little problem. There is a bit of a problem though with the fact of your perceived nationality. The employers here are going to constantly see you as a Korean, and as such, you're going to be treated as less desired than a western-looking native. Many programs require you to send a photograph when applying, and they'll turn you down just based on the photo alone.

There are, however, other avenues, such as GEPIK and university teaching where you might do really well, and with the MA in TESOL, you'll be a lot more employable through those avenues. I'd advise doing nothing but applying for those types of positions (they're usually more prestigious and, at least for the universities, tend to pay well).

The strange thing is: You have a lot of qualities that should make you really desirable, but unfortunately, those same qualities also serve to work against you in this environment. It really shouldn't be this way, but I can't change the flow of the stream by wishing it away.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should have no problem at all.

May I make a suggestion?

Apply through EPIK, or GEPIk, work for a year and see if teaching is really for you.
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michaelambling



Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Re: My viability as English teacher in Seoul, Korea Reply with quote

BackToKorea wrote:
Hi guys.

This is a great site. I read some of the comment but I would like to ask you guys again whether I could make living out of teaching English in Korea.

About myself.

I'm 43 year old male, born and raised in Seoul, Korea (Yes, I'm Korean native), moved to the US in 1989, and have been living Los Angeles, CA since then. I'm an software engineer, got my BS degree in computer science, worked nine years for one of the most prominent computer software/hardware company in the world, and recently got laid-off. Crying or Very sad, and no teaching experience at all.

Now I'm thinking to get MA degree in TESOL either here in the US or in London, UK. And go back to Korea to teach English.

As you can see, my English writing is, uhmm.., not so good. Speaking, well, let's put it this way. I did take speech articulation class in community college, and people around me at work had no problem understanding me. Reading, I read technology articles and specifications without any problem. As far as listening is concerned, my favorite TV programs are CNBC money news and CNN.


Question:
What do you think? Will I be viable in teaching English in long term?

Thanks.


You're an excellent candidate, but don't bother with the MA yet--just start teaching! You might want to get a couple of books on TEFL just to gain some confidence.
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maingman



Joined: 26 Jan 2008
Location: left Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: , Reply with quote

BackToKorea

dont bother teahing here IMO
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rocketdolphin



Joined: 28 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the job postings I've seen lately are for Korean-Americans or F-2/F-4 holders.

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storysinger81



Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um guys... he can't work for public schools as a "native" teacher. If you are Korean-born, they require proof you attended schools in one of the seven countries from grade 7 on. Given your age, counting backwards, there is no way you'll qualify unless you were 23 in middle school.

OP--If you are fluent in Korean, you could try to take the qualifying test to become a regular English teacher in Korea. Or go the uni route. Or one of the bilingual req'd hakwons. If you're fluent in Korean (which I assume you are), you have lots of options for English teaching, but you won't find the most lucrative options here on Dave's. Consider yourself Korean for purposes of job searching and contact your old Korean buddies for assistance.

I'm not trying to be unhelpful, I'm just pointing out that you are, in Koreans' eyes, not a "foreigner," so you should be able to get better advice through acquaintances still in Korea.
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BackToKorea



Joined: 25 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

Most of your comments are really encouraging, I appreciate that.

I think <storysinger81> got it right. I came to the states at the age of 23, attended community college, and went on to get BS degree. So there is no way I would speak like native American. As a matter of fact, I still have Korean accent when I speak English.

The reason I'm thinking to get MA in TESOL because I know Koreans respect or maybe even obsess about good credentials. Although I received my BS degree from a well known university among Koreans but I don't think computer science is a compelling major to teach English. And more importantly, if I want to teach English, I think I should know some methodolgies how to teach English.

Now I am planning to apply for University of Bristol, IOE School of London, and University of Westminster for my MA degree in TESOL. I picked schools in UK because they offer 1 year degree program, they are well recognized schools in TESOL, and more importantly I will experience European life style and get to see European countries as well. Also, I think now is good time to invest on education since it is the toughest economy since the Great Depression.

Thanks guys again.
Hope you have nothing but best wishes in Korea.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BackToKorea wrote:
As a matter of fact, I still have Korean accent when I speak English.


1. You write fine. In fact, better than many of the guys here on Dave's (though that may not be saying much Twisted Evil ).

2. I remember once being asked by an ajumma to listen to a Korean girl teaching English to her son. I told her that her pronounciation was wrong and how to properly say it. She was a bit miffed, ignored my comments and went on to tell her class that regardless of the proper pronounciation, they were going to be tested/graded on the Korean pronounciation!

3. If you were working as a software engineer, you may find that you'll take too much of a salary hit to justify going to Korea. The ESL positions do not pay very much. I'm assuming there are no jobs in the U.S. right now. If I were you, I would maybe go to teach in Korea and start to network to find a better job.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
2. I remember once being asked by an ajumma to listen to a Korean girl teaching English to her son. I told her that her pronounciation was wrong and how to properly say it. She was a bit miffed, ignored my comments and went on to tell her class that regardless of the proper pronounciation, they were going to be tested/graded on the Korean pronounciation!


That is bonkers. No wonder the minority of students pick up poor pronunciation from less internationally experienced Korean teachers.

Anyway back on thread. BacktoKorea, I think developing yourself is very important as a teacher and I would highly recommend that you do the MA TESOL, TEFL or CELTA (whatever floats your boat). However, the majority of Korean Employers in the EFL Industry don't care less about your credentials as long as you tick the following boxes:

1. You look foreign
2. You speak English (or a Koreanised version of it)
3. You go "네~,네~,네~" when the employer asks you to do something
4. You teach like a clown

But there are a few employers in Korea that are interested in qualified English teachers and offer a good salary. Remember, if you don't develop yourself as a teacher you would be earning the same as most 21 year old foreign graduates in Korea but if you do a certificate in EFL Teaching then you would be able to secure more financially rewarding jobs.

Now the good news. You will be returning to Korea on an F4 visa (I assume). This will allow you to work at any place without restrictions. You don't like an employer, you can walk away and then find another place to work straight away. You have the control and flexibility more than most EFL Teachers in Korea.

Best of luck on your EFL Career. It is highly rewarding, educational and stimulating.
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