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khyber
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 Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: High School Basketball 100-0 |
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090122/sports/20090122_bkbl100_point_shutout_1
There's a video with this story.
What are you thoughts on this and sportsmanship?
My thoughts on the story:
1) The coach says that he told his girls to "stop the press" in the 4th quarter and that they only scored 12 points in that quarter.
Okay. Apparently the team finally backed off when they hit 100 points with only a few minutes left.
2) Apparently the other team got only 7 shots off all game.
I think this is pretty lame. If the school you are coaching at values fair play and sportsmanship, then there is no reason to run up the score like that.
Should the coach have been fired? Yes, I think so.
Coaching high school students teams is really about character education as much as it is about skill development. Clearly this coach did not apply the "golden rule" (officially[?] on the books), nor did he show good judgement in setting an example for his players.
When my school was at provincials, we had a class of FREAK atheletes (not me), we won by around 80points; something like 110-27. Our coach told them to let off. I know if I were to coach, there is no WAY I'd be pushing my kids in that sitch.
In the video, the coach provides his reasoning for the winning. Unfortunately, he clearly does not understand what sportsmanship is in a competitive environment. |
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JMO
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Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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My thoughts on the story:
1) The coach says that he told his girls to "stop the press" in the 4th quarter and that they only scored 12 points in that quarter.
Okay. Apparently the team finally backed off when they hit 100 points with only a few minutes left.
2) Apparently the other team got only 7 shots off all game.
I think this is pretty lame. If the school you are coaching at values fair play and sportsmanship, then there is no reason to run up the score like that.
Should the coach have been fired? Yes, I think so. |
They played fair. Winning by a hundred doesn't mean you were unfair. There is no way a coach should get fired for winning in any situation.
What is your line for sportsmanship? Obviously if the other team got off 7 shots then when they got to 20 they should have stopped scoring, played keepball for 23 seconds(assuming there is a shot clock) and then thrown it away. Anything more than that would have been running up the score.
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| Coaching high school students teams is really about character education as much as it is about skill development. |
The other team got a fantastic character lesson. Play better. Other teams letting off because you are terrible is not a realistic life lesson.
It is complete BS that their school(winning team) is seeking a forefeit also. Sport is a competition, not an exercise in pity or a chance to make sure everyone feels good about themselves.
My local area was never good at gaelic football as it is a massive soccer area traditionally. When i was in elementary school, we had a teacher from the south with one of those sing song accents who started a GAA team and started coaching also at the local club.
We were terrible at first and lost by large numbers. By the time I left and had played on the team for the last 2 years we had won an area and county title and we were destroying teams. The club team couldn't field a full team at under 18s, by the time I finished high school we had teams at under 18s, under 16s, under 14s, under 12s.
When we were terrible at first, master never got the ref to call time 5 mins early(common enough), he told us to play to the whistle and people who didn't play to the whistle didn't play regardless of talent. That is character education. We fought and clawed for the ball and eventually we started winning. And when we did start winning, we didn't let up on teams because we were hammering them. Now there are players from the area playing on the county team(the highest possible level). I'm guessing that if we were taught it was ok to be pitied by the other team, to give up, to let off, then we would not have that success.
When I have kids, there is no way I'm going to let them play for a coach that doesn't have that attitude. They are there to learn how to compete not to be treated like pre schoolers. |
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crash bang
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| i completely agree with JMO, but why wasnt there a mercy rule? go up by so many points and the game is over |
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VanIslander
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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:00 am Post subject: |
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as soon as it passed 50-0, as coach I'd play the bench and sit the starters
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| spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points |
perhaps challenging one's own team to not allow a single basket and shoot for a hundred IS appropriate as a coaching strategy, may be a bit of a challenge: it's a game and as long as they're on the court they're expected to give it their all
or demand each player to shoot with their other hand (righties to shoot left handed) or some other drill/practice limitation |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: |
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When I play sports, I go out there to win and to win as convincingly as possible. You shouldn't penalize people just because they are stronger or better than you. I've been on some incredibe sports teams and some that weren't so incredible, and every one we went out to play as hard as possible, even if we knew we were going to lose.
I have been in numerous games where the score blew out and have never heard anyone say to ease off. I was on a Basketball team in Junior High that routinely beat teams by 80 points or more. No one ever asked for quarter from us and we never gave it. Two years ago I was in a game of Soccer where we were down 9-0 at half time. We knew we couldn't win but made it our goal to win the second half. The final score was 13-5(ridiculous I know).
There has to be a winner in everything, even in highschool sports. Sure you have to play fair and be a good sport, but if I was on the losing team and knew my opponent was easing off, that would annoy me more than being beaten 200-0. |
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sojukettle
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: big scores in professional sports too |
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Eight not nearly enough as gallant team goes down 194-3
January 28, 2009
LONDON: Coventry Saracens won praise rather than scorn from opponents Alcester after suffering an English league record defeat on the weekend.
Coventry Saracens were thrashed 194-3 in the Midlands Six West (South East) division after they took the field with eight players, rather than the 15 that normally comprise a rugby union team, because of selection problems.
Their depleted side contained three specialist front-rowers and another capable of playing in the front row, which meant Saturday's game was, remarkably, completed without the need for uncontested scrums and no regulations were breached.
Alcester captain Scott Carmichael was impressed the fixture went ahead.
"We dropped three forwards out of the scrum to make it five against three in the scrums but all credit to Coventry Saracens for honouring the fixture," Carmichael said.
"They turned up and insisted that the game went ahead so they deserve a lot of credit for doing that."
Alcester ran in 32 tries to improve their promotion chances. Their winning margin, however, was well short of the world record of 350-0 by French third division side Lavardac against Vergt in 1984.
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caniff
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:40 am Post subject: |
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In the statement on the Covenant website, Queal said the game "does not reflect a Christ-like and honourable approach to competition. We humbly apologize for our actions and seek the forgiveness of Dallas Academy, TAPPS and our community."
Queal said school officials met with Dallas Academy officials to apologize and praised the Dallas Academy players for "strength, composure and fortitude in a game in which they clearly emerged the winner."
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Give me a break. They were not "winners". They got their collective ass handed to them in historic fashion.
Suck it up, practice harder, and try to move past this (if you can). Either that or end your basketball program because right now you are really fucking bad. Crying about it should not be an option. |
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the_wicker_man
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| The losing team represents a school for students with learning and emotional difficulties. This trends toward Special Olympics territory. |
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lsrupert
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I don't think that they need to forfeit the game, but they could've backed off a little. I remember when I was in high school, our school was in the same type of situation. (Only boys basketball, not girls.) All of the students wanted to push for 100, but our coach made the starters sit, and let the second string play the rest of the game. As an adult, I can look back and realize that this was the wiser choice. We knew that we would win. There was no doubting that. Reaching 100 points would mean so much more if you had good competition. Also, having been on the second string in volleyball, the other students deserve a chance to play just as much as the starters!
I think what needs to be remembered here is the fact that they were playing a school of students with learning disabilities. Almost as bad as playing against a blind school! (Kidding.)
Just apologize and get on with life. |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia. |
That's pretty horrible running up the score on a bunch of mentally challenged kids like that. They should have been using the bench at least the entire second half, and stopped the press. |
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NoExplode
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| the_wicker_man wrote: |
| The losing team represents a school for students with learning and emotional difficulties. This trends toward Special Olympics territory. |
That's hilarious. They ran up the score on 'tards. Hollywood couldn't invent a better bullying. Any video of this? |
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NoExplode
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NoExplode
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Back when I was playing bantam hockey in Alberta we played a team from a reservation in north Sask. They were incredible.. I still clearly remember how embarrassed we were (and we were an excellent team). They scored 5 or so goals in the first period and we had zero shots. In the second and third, they clearly let up, let us shoot and essentially played 'chicken' for 40 minutes. They did not score after the first, though prolly could have at least a dozen times. I had huge respect for them not humiliating us. Huge respect. |
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sjrm
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Wasn't there a women's hockey team that kept losing like 51-0, etc. in trying to qualify for the winter games? Makes me kinda wonder why this is a big deal, and the other barely got any notice. |
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