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Toronto
Joined: 26 Nov 2007
Location: Seoul - Area
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 Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: 20,000 an hour for f2-f5 visa |
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This was posted at:
http://www.worknplay.co.kr/jobseeker/jobSearchView.php?jobNum=178308&start=&page=
"We are seeking a qualified editor for our new international cooperation division. The job entails editing and proofreading as well as acting as communications liaison. A detailed job description will be supplied after the initial screening process. It is a part-time position and requires approximately 20 office hours per week. This is not a work from home position so please do not apply if you cannot put in the required office hours. The ideal candidate should have at least a bachelors degree, preferably in mass communications or computer science. Editing experience is also required. We prefer applicants with F2 or F5 visas. However exceptional candidates will be considered if they can get permission from their current employer.
Compensation: 20 000 won per hour based on experience + a cozy cubicle and a wonderful working environment.
Please send your resume and cover letter with contact details included. Due to the vast number of applications, I will only be contacting those who made it onto the shortlist. Thank you for your time and consideration. I hope to hear from you soon."
Quite humorous, do they really find people do this work? I am not against volunteering but do it for a needy organization.
These guys get a sweet budget (I know) from the government to promote education. The professors who publish in journal like this get 4,000,000 won .
Who do they think going to commute to a work place for 20,000 an hour on an F class visa?
My wife would kill me if I wasted my time at a job like this.
An offer like this is sick and absurd.
Editing is done by the page and the LOWEST rate is 10,000 per 25 line page. |
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CA-NA-DA-ABC
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:15 am Post subject: Re: 20,000 an hour for f2-f5 visa |
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| Toronto wrote: |
This was posted at:
http://www.worknplay.co.kr/jobseeker/jobSearchView.php?jobNum=178308&start=&page=
"We are seeking a qualified editor for our new international cooperation division. The job entails editing and proofreading as well as acting as communications liaison. A detailed job description will be supplied after the initial screening process. It is a part-time position and requires approximately 20 office hours per week. This is not a work from home position so please do not apply if you cannot put in the required office hours. The ideal candidate should have at least a bachelors degree, preferably in mass communications or computer science. Editing experience is also required. We prefer applicants with F2 or F5 visas. However exceptional candidates will be considered if they can get permission from their current employer.
Compensation: 20 000 won per hour based on experience + a cozy cubicle and a wonderful working environment.
Please send your resume and cover letter with contact details included. Due to the vast number of applications, I will only be contacting those who made it onto the shortlist. Thank you for your time and consideration. I hope to hear from you soon."
Quite humorous, do they really find people do this work? I am not against volunteering but do it for a needy organization.
These guys get a sweet budget (I know) from the government to promote education. The professors who publish in journal like this get 4,000,000 won .
Who do they think going to commute to a work place for 20,000 an hour on an F class visa?
My wife would kill me if I wasted my time at a job like this.
An offer like this is sick and absurd.
Editing is done by the page and the LOWEST rate is 10,000 per 25 line page. |
sadly, yes. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Imagine you're a bored housewife married to a Korean, and looking for something to do that doesn't involve teaching.
Can't imagine that there will be a vast number of applicants with all the desired quals though.
Now if they were prepared to sponser a visa and offer 2.4 + housing they'd be swamped. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| That's hardly enough to feed your kids by or pay the gas bill, why would a housewife do that? |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| They get what they pay for? |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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20,000 won/hour in the office is not the same as 20,000 won/class.
Consider that a public school teacher is on site for 40 hours per week (roughly 160 per month) for a salary of around 2.2 million won. (That's 13,750 won/hour)
With that said, no, it's not great money, but it's hardly as bad as some of you are making it out to be. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Consider that a public school teacher is on site for 40 hours per week (roughly 160 per month) for a salary of around 2.2 million won. (That's 13,750 won/hour)
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On the other hand, do you know of anyone with an F visa working 40 hours for 2.2?
They would be quite shortchanging themselves. |
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Toronto
Joined: 26 Nov 2007
Location: Seoul - Area
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: Thunndarr Compares Apples and Oranges |
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I am not talking about a public school teacher. I am taking about an F class visa holder. BTW the �F� in f2, f4, f5 class visa stands for family and you don�t support a family on 20,000 an hour in this country, let alone Seoul.
Thunndarr � you also forgot to include that public school teachers get housing. This job is a part-time work with no housing.
It is the unrealistic nature of this job offer that bewilders me. Would you really want somebody dumb enough to take an offer like this working in your office? |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
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Consider that a public school teacher is on site for 40 hours per week (roughly 160 per month) for a salary of around 2.2 million won. (That's 13,750 won/hour)
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On the other hand, do you know of anyone with an F visa working 40 hours for 2.2?
They would be quite shortchanging themselves. |
What's that got to do with anything? If this were a full time position, it would pay 3.2 million won/month. I doubt the OP would be bitching about it then. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Thunndarr Compares Apples and Oranges |
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| Toronto wrote: |
I am not talking about a public school teacher. I am taking about an F class visa holder. BTW the �F� in f2, f4, f5 class visa stands for family and you don�t support a family on 20,000 an hour in this country, let alone Seoul.
Thunndarr � you also forgot to include that public school teachers get housing. This job is a part-time work with no housing.
It is the unrealistic nature of this job offer that bewilders me. Would you really want somebody dumb enough to take an offer like this working in your office? |
No, I wouldn't want someone working for me who couldn't do basic math.
Two years ago, I worked at a public school and also taught the after school program there. I made 4 million won/month. Great, amazing job right? It worked out to 25k/hour. (And if you are telling me that F-Visa holders would turn their noses up at this job you are flat out lying.)
I have friends (F-Visa holders) who work at private schools. "Good" salary, decent conditions. 3.1 million won/month (housing+salary) Guess what that comes out to? 19k/hour
The fact of the matter is that you simply saw that figure of 20k/hour and thought "I make 50k per hour of privates" and then ran your mouth off without thinking about the hourly rate of what most people would consider to be good jobs.
(Oh, and incidentally, since we're on the subject, your point about supporting a family on this position is entirely irrelevant because A) it's part time work which implies B) that one would be have supplemental income (such as private lessons.)
I can't believe how much of this I've had to explain. Jesus, can't you people do basic math? |
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Toronto
Joined: 26 Nov 2007
Location: Seoul - Area
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: Thunndarr � Please read carefully |
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Thunndarr � I said, �you don�t support a family on 20,000 an hour� I was not taking about this position I was talking about ANY position. 3.2 million for two or three people? You gotta pay for housing (not an officetell either �something decent � clean / two rooms)? You need to pay for you and your wife�s and maybe kids plane tickets to visit family in the US (sorry I don�t consider my daughter visiting her grandmother once a year a luxury). Retirement � savings? Quality of life issues? Health dental?
You don�t live life on $14.37 in Seoul. If that is the best you can do give up and head home. Welfare provides a better standard of living.
Editing is not baby sitting a bunch of kids either, it is real WORK.
Korean Professors get between 4 mil � 6 mil for publishing a 30 page paper in a quality journal. THERE IS MONEY THERE!
As for your friends they should maybe examine these postings, I hope it will inspire them to unclasp their hands from their ankles.
1. http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1514673&highlight=#1514673
Or
2. http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=128333&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Or
3. http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1537934&highlight=#1537934
F2 visa = $. Don't forget that. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:55 am Post subject: |
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We understand what you mean Thundarr, this job may be good for someone, but, he/she can earn a fair bit more for the same part time hours.
(A friend of mine  ) has a part time position and on paper fewer working hours than that but earnings are a fair bit more, understating it. So, it's either a cruise job and so easy and relaxing, or it's underpaid. Yet, I bet no one here has ever worked a job that is cruisy and easy - not proofing, writing, translating, teaching ....
The job is (at least in several people's minds) underpaid.
That's not to say that someone won't snap it up but possibly have regrets later. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:05 am Post subject: Re: Thunndarr � Please read carefully |
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| Toronto wrote: |
Thunndarr � I said, �you don�t support a family on 20,000 an hour� I was not taking about this position I was talking about ANY position. 3.2 million for two or three people? You gotta pay for housing (not an officetell either �something decent � clean / two rooms)? You need to pay for you and your wife�s and maybe kids plane tickets to visit family in the US (sorry I don�t consider my daughter visiting her grandmother once a year a luxury). Retirement � savings? Quality of life issues? Health dental?
You don�t live life on $14.37 in Seoul. If that is the best you can do give up and head home. Welfare provides a better standard of living.
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And yet you fail to address any of the hundreds of other job listings that pay less hourly than this one. You're a tool. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
We understand what you mean Thundarr, this job may be good for someone, but, he/she can earn a fair bit more for the same part time hours.
(A friend of mine ) has a part time position and on paper fewer working hours than that but earnings are a fair bit more, understating it. So, it's either a cruise job and so easy and relaxing, or it's underpaid. Yet, I bet no one here has ever worked a job that is cruisy and easy - not proofing, writing, translating, teaching ....
The job is (at least in several people's minds) underpaid.
That's not to say that someone won't snap it up but possibly have regrets later. |
You keep claiming this job is underpaid. All I'm saying is that the vast majority of jobs listed on this website pay the same or less hourly. Why single this one out? |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| Thunndarr wrote: |
| Cheonmunka wrote: |
We understand what you mean Thundarr, this job may be good for someone, but, he/she can earn a fair bit more for the same part time hours.
(A friend of mine ) has a part time position and on paper fewer working hours than that but earnings are a fair bit more, understating it. So, it's either a cruise job and so easy and relaxing, or it's underpaid. Yet, I bet no one here has ever worked a job that is cruisy and easy - not proofing, writing, translating, teaching ....
The job is (at least in several people's minds) underpaid.
That's not to say that someone won't snap it up but possibly have regrets later. |
You keep claiming this job is underpaid. All I'm saying is that the vast majority of jobs listed on this website pay the same or less hourly. Why single this one out? |
Well if he or anyone else did point out the majority of jobs that pay low wages for F visa workers, Dave would have to either shut down this site or hire more moderators to delete the 1000s of posts that would occur from such an endeavor.
I also wonder when you consider your hourly wage if you count the 3 months off a year some school jobs have, yet the monthly wage still comes in. Hmm maybe I should figure that out from my last job, I was paid about 64,000 an hour if I counted my 20hrs a week of work times the amount of weeks we actually had to teach those 20hrs. So yeah, 20k an hour is pretty much a joke. Then again, so is any job that pays less than 3mil a month for an F visa holder. |
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