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tamago



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Job outlook in 5..10 years? Reply with quote

Hello everyone. I'm a new person here, and quite excited about teaching English in Korea. If I could introduce myself a little bit..

I'm korean-american (parents from seoul), born in US and lived there all my life (i'm 24). I've been to korea when I was 4 for about a month, and that is all. I've been working as a english/korean translator after graduating high school for a while because the pay was good ($30/hr). however, I decided I should get a BA degree and try this out, because I really want to try korean life. I'lll prolly finish the degree in about 1.5-2years.

Now my questions are: How is the job outlook of teaching english in Korea? Plentiful? competitive?

How about the job itself? Is it secure? Thank you for your replies.
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Ukon



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Job outlook in 5..10 years? Reply with quote

tamago wrote:
Hello everyone. I'm a new person here, and quite excited about teaching English in Korea. If I could introduce myself a little bit..

I'm korean-american (parents from seoul), born in US and lived there all my life (i'm 24). I've been to korea when I was 4 for about a month, and that is all. I've been working as a english/korean translator after graduating high school for a while because the pay was good ($30/hr). however, I decided I should get a BA degree and try this out, because I really want to try korean life. I'lll prolly finish the degree in about 1.5-2years.

Now my questions are: How is the job outlook of teaching english in Korea? Plentiful? competitive?

How about the job itself? Is it secure? Thank you for your replies.


If your parents are korean you can get an F-4 visa that allows you to work any job here....You don't need a degree to teach I believe...I know a kyopo without a degree here teaching on an f-4. Although he mostly does privates.

On a f-4 wouldn't worry about job prospects....E-2s are a bit limited on what they can do...not f-4s...
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tamago



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for ur reply. that leaves to the question..should i still try to obtain a BA degree? i want a stable life when i stay in korea..will having a 4 yr degree, even if its arts/humanities from the US help?
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Chet Wautlands



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are done two years of your degree, then yes, you should certainly finish it. Having a basic university degree in any field can come in handy often in life.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:22 am    Post subject: Re: Job Outlook 5 to 10 years from now Reply with quote

I have a question for you: How do you know you will enjoy teaching EFL here in Korea, or elsewhere's? You should get your degree and then try teaching EFL to see if you like it or not. Frankly, there are better paying jobs here in Korea than teaching English, but you will need a relevant degree and experience to go after and get one of those jobs in a chaebol or in working for the government.

Frankly, I would like to strongly suggest that you finish your degree first. Even if you do come to teach here on a F visa to teach without finishing your degree you will get more respect from the locals if you do have your BA degree. You will also feel relieved to have finished it and you will be infinitely better off having it than not, especially in todays world economy. The Korean EFL market will still be here in 1.5 to 2 years from now, so you will have a chance to teach here I am sure.

What will the job outlook be 5 to 10 years from now? Koreans will still be learning EFL in 5 to 10 years but the billion dollar question is with whom? The trend is to open the market to those countries which have trade agreements with the ROK and whose citizens demonstrably speak English fluently and who are certified English teachers in their own countries. Where you and many others will fit into that scenario is the big question, which has yet to be answered.
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tamago



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for ur replies. i will plan on finishing my ba degree before moving on
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tamago wrote:
thanks for ur replies. i will plan on finishing my ba degree before moving on


I cannot stress the importance of having this degree; in 10, 20 years it might be a dealbreaker, or it could mean a massive pay increase. Just stick it out for two years--that's not a really long time.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, finish your degree. Koreans are uncommonly attached to the idea of education and to degrees that represent that education. There were a series of scandals here last year about people who had fake degrees--you would have thought they had been caught committing sex crimes with little kids.

A degree will open doors to you, even if it isn't in teaching. Your translating experience is highly valued here.

There is no indication that Koreans' need or desire for English is declining. Jobs here can be stable and secure, especially for people with your background.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry, apart from the remote possibilities of the utter implosion of the United States as an economic power, a major meltdown of the Korean economy, or a war on the Korean peninsula in the next few years, Koreans will still be fervently trying to learn English for the next few decades. Their overall progress in language acquisition has not been stellar thus far. I expect the ESL scene in Korea will be about the same 20 years from now. Plenty of jobs to choose from. Enough BS to keep hordes of native speakers from coming (and staying), so not really competitive. You'll be fine.

As others said, get your degree first.
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tamago



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i appreciate everyone's help and advice. :>
i hope to someday meet up with ya and buy drinks! ^^
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Accidental Citizen Soldier
By JOHN IWASAKI, SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER (April 8, 2004)
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/168210_korean08.html
Quote:
Young Jin Chun is thoroughly American, a 25-year-old Bellevue resident and Newport High School graduate who wanted to soak up his ancestral culture and learn Korean while teaching English overseas for a year or two.

Thanks to the South Korean government, he's getting that experience, but not in the way he ever imagined. The planets did not align for Chun. They collided.

Although he's a U.S. citizen, Chun has been drafted into the South Korean army -- a two-year hitch in one of the world's most tense military regions.

He is now Pvt. Young Jin Chun, splitting his time between office and linguistic work, picking up Korean by necessity, and earning a monthly salary of about 30,000 won, or roughly $25....

The U.S. State Department knows of several instances in which young American men of Korean descent have been drafted when visiting South Korea....

Korean-American Forced to Serve in Military
by Byun Duk-kun, Korea Times (December 12, 2003)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200312/kt2003121218123212020.htm
Quote:
Kang came back to live in his motherland when he was 32 years old after both his parents passed away in the U.S. "I knew any male had to serve in the military (in Korea), but I thought the age limit was 32. My pastor also told me that I�d be exempt from the Korean military service because I served in the U.S. military," Kang said. However, when Kang tried to apply for his citizen's registration card, he found out that he was still required to serve out his mandatory two years as the Defense Ministry had changed their age limit to 35 a few years ago. The government pays him 26,000 won a month ($21) and some 110,000 won for lunch and transportation.

Korea, Republic of, Bureau of Consular Affairs, U.S. Department of State
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1018.html
Quote:
There have been several instances in which young U.S. citizen men of Korean descent -- who were born in and lived all of their lives in the United States -- arrived in Korea as tourists only to be drafted into the Republic of Korea army. At least two of these cases involved individuals whose names had been recorded on the Korean Family Relations Certificate without their knowledge. Special permission to visit Korea should be obtained in this instance; please contact the Korean Embassy or a consulate to receive more information before traveling to Korea....

Koreans Less Satisfied with Work
Hours may be long, but productivity ranks near the bottom
By Kim Ki-chan and Han Eun-hwa, JoongAng Ilbo (May 20, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2890009
image url
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/_data/photo/2008/05/19223802.jpg

Misery Runs High Among Koreans
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2008/12/202_27892.html

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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2899259

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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2894735

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http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200704/200704230029.html

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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2889730

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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2889984

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http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409060026.html

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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2896438

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http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200708/200708200011.html

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ReeseDog



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
The Accidental Citizen Soldier
By JOHN IWASAKI, SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER (April 8, 2004)
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/168210_korean08.html
Quote:
Young Jin Chun is thoroughly American, a 25-year-old Bellevue resident and Newport High School graduate who wanted to soak up his ancestral culture and learn Korean while teaching English overseas for a year or two.

Thanks to the South Korean government, he's getting that experience, but not in the way he ever imagined. The planets did not align for Chun. They collided.

Although he's a U.S. citizen, Chun has been drafted into the South Korean army -- a two-year hitch in one of the world's most tense military regions.

He is now Pvt. Young Jin Chun, splitting his time between office and linguistic work, picking up Korean by necessity, and earning a monthly salary of about 30,000 won, or roughly $25....

The U.S. State Department knows of several instances in which young American men of Korean descent have been drafted when visiting South Korea....

Korean-American Forced to Serve in Military
by Byun Duk-kun, Korea Times (December 12, 2003)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200312/kt2003121218123212020.htm
Quote:
Kang came back to live in his motherland when he was 32 years old after both his parents passed away in the U.S. "I knew any male had to serve in the military (in Korea), but I thought the age limit was 32. My pastor also told me that I�d be exempt from the Korean military service because I served in the U.S. military," Kang said. However, when Kang tried to apply for his citizen's registration card, he found out that he was still required to serve out his mandatory two years as the Defense Ministry had changed their age limit to 35 a few years ago. The government pays him 26,000 won a month ($21) and some 110,000 won for lunch and transportation.

Korea, Republic of, Bureau of Consular Affairs, U.S. Department of State
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1018.html
Quote:
There have been several instances in which young U.S. citizen men of Korean descent -- who were born in and lived all of their lives in the United States -- arrived in Korea as tourists only to be drafted into the Republic of Korea army. At least two of these cases involved individuals whose names had been recorded on the Korean Family Relations Certificate without their knowledge. Special permission to visit Korea should be obtained in this instance; please contact the Korean Embassy or a consulate to receive more information before traveling to Korea....

Koreans Less Satisfied with Work
Hours may be long, but productivity ranks near the bottom
By Kim Ki-chan and Han Eun-hwa, JoongAng Ilbo (May 20, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2890009
image url
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/_data/photo/2008/05/19223802.jpg

Misery Runs High Among Koreans
By Seo Ji-eun, JoongAng Daily (June 24, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2891100

Economic Misery
JoongAng Daily (July 1, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2891739

Soaring 'Misery Index'
Korea Times (July 20, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2008/12/202_27892.html

A Year for Economic Heartache
JoongAng Daily (December 31, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2899259

Koreans at Top of List for Taking Own Lives
By Kim Chang-gyu, JoongAng Daily (September 10, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2894735

Korea Has World's Highest Suicide Rate
Chosun Ilbo (April 23, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200704/200704230029.html

Elderly Suicide Rate Highest in OECD
JoongAng Daily (May 13, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2889730

Suicide Tops Cause of Death in Military
By Brian Lee, JoongAng Daily (May 20, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2889984

80% of Koreans Unhappy With Law Enforcement
By Kim Tae-jong, Korea Times (August 25, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/08/117_29950.html

96.5% of Young Employees Wish To Work Abroad
Chosun Ilbo (September 6, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409060026.html

Doctors See Increase in Number of Mental Health Cases
By Kim Chang-gyu, JoongAng Ilbo (February 26, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2886632

High Court Upholds Acquittal of 'Soju Rapist'
Chosun Ilbo (March 28, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503280039.html

Survey Finds Youth Lacking Morality
JoongAng Daily (October 23, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2896438

UN Concern at 'Ethnocentric' Korea
Chosun Ilbo (August 20, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200708/200708200011.html

Discrimination Persists as Foreign Population Grows
By Kim Soe-jung, JoongAng Daily (September 3, 2007)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2880037

Amnesty Slams Treatment of Foreign Workers
by Ser Myo-ja, JoongAng Daily (August 18, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2800450


Somebody here has an agenda.
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tamago



Joined: 27 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
The Accidental Citizen Soldier
By JOHN IWASAKI, SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER (April 8, 2004)
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/168210_korean08.html
Quote:
Young Jin Chun is thoroughly American, a 25-year-old Bellevue resident and Newport High School graduate who wanted to soak up his ancestral culture and learn Korean while teaching English overseas for a year or two.

Thanks to the South Korean government, he's getting that experience, but not in the way he ever imagined. The planets did not align for Chun. They collided.

Although he's a U.S. citizen, Chun has been drafted into the South Korean army -- a two-year hitch in one of the world's most tense military regions.

He is now Pvt. Young Jin Chun, splitting his time between office and linguistic work, picking up Korean by necessity, and earning a monthly salary of about 30,000 won, or roughly $25....

The U.S. State Department knows of several instances in which young American men of Korean descent have been drafted when visiting South Korea....

Korean-American Forced to Serve in Military
by Byun Duk-kun, Korea Times (December 12, 2003)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200312/kt2003121218123212020.htm
Quote:
Kang came back to live in his motherland when he was 32 years old after both his parents passed away in the U.S. "I knew any male had to serve in the military (in Korea), but I thought the age limit was 32. My pastor also told me that I�d be exempt from the Korean military service because I served in the U.S. military," Kang said. However, when Kang tried to apply for his citizen's registration card, he found out that he was still required to serve out his mandatory two years as the Defense Ministry had changed their age limit to 35 a few years ago. The government pays him 26,000 won a month ($21) and some 110,000 won for lunch and transportation.

Korea, Republic of, Bureau of Consular Affairs, U.S. Department of State
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1018.html
Quote:
There have been several instances in which young U.S. citizen men of Korean descent -- who were born in and lived all of their lives in the United States -- arrived in Korea as tourists only to be drafted into the Republic of Korea army. At least two of these cases involved individuals whose names had been recorded on the Korean Family Relations Certificate without their knowledge. Special permission to visit Korea should be obtained in this instance; please contact the Korean Embassy or a consulate to receive more information before traveling to Korea....

Koreans Less Satisfied with Work
Hours may be long, but productivity ranks near the bottom
By Kim Ki-chan and Han Eun-hwa, JoongAng Ilbo (May 20, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2890009
image url
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/_data/photo/2008/05/19223802.jpg

Misery Runs High Among Koreans
By Seo Ji-eun, JoongAng Daily (June 24, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2891100

Economic Misery
JoongAng Daily (July 1, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2891739

Soaring 'Misery Index'
Korea Times (July 20, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2008/12/202_27892.html

A Year for Economic Heartache
JoongAng Daily (December 31, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2899259

Koreans at Top of List for Taking Own Lives
By Kim Chang-gyu, JoongAng Daily (September 10, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2894735

Korea Has World's Highest Suicide Rate
Chosun Ilbo (April 23, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200704/200704230029.html

Elderly Suicide Rate Highest in OECD
JoongAng Daily (May 13, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2889730

Suicide Tops Cause of Death in Military
By Brian Lee, JoongAng Daily (May 20, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2889984

80% of Koreans Unhappy With Law Enforcement
By Kim Tae-jong, Korea Times (August 25, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/08/117_29950.html

96.5% of Young Employees Wish To Work Abroad
Chosun Ilbo (September 6, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409060026.html

Doctors See Increase in Number of Mental Health Cases
By Kim Chang-gyu, JoongAng Ilbo (February 26, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2886632

High Court Upholds Acquittal of 'Soju Rapist'
Chosun Ilbo (March 28, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503280039.html

Survey Finds Youth Lacking Morality
JoongAng Daily (October 23, 2008)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2896438

UN Concern at 'Ethnocentric' Korea
Chosun Ilbo (August 20, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200708/200708200011.html

Discrimination Persists as Foreign Population Grows
By Kim Soe-jung, JoongAng Daily (September 3, 2007)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2880037

Amnesty Slams Treatment of Foreign Workers
by Ser Myo-ja, JoongAng Daily (August 18, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2800450


Every country is bound to some problems..economical especially in this time period. But those news are definitely a reality check- I'm definitely going to meet some good and bad on the road to teaching english overseas.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamecock wrote:
Don't worry, apart from the remote possibilities of the utter implosion of the United States as an economic power, a major meltdown of the Korean economy, or a war on the Korean peninsula in the next few years, Koreans will still be fervently trying to learn English for the next few decades. Their overall progress in language acquisition has not been stellar thus far. I expect the ESL scene in Korea will be about the same 20 years from now. Plenty of jobs to choose from. Enough BS to keep hordes of native speakers from coming (and staying), so not really competitive. You'll be fine.

As others said, get your degree first.



The question is...will it be enough BS to keep the hordes of Indians/Filipinos from coming and staying? I suspect not. In a good deal less then 20 years time I suspect we'll nearly all be out of a job as they can get 2-3 of them for what it costs for one of us.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReeseDog wrote:
Real Reality wrote:
The Accidental Citizen Soldier




Somebody here has an agenda.


he posts the same stuff over and over again
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