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Zulethe

Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: Korean perpective from a Thai Vacation |
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Boy how I have changed. The first time I went to Thailand, I was in paradise and yes, I partook in every lascivious fantasy possible. I didn't feel guilty at all. I was depressed after returning to the states and the hordes of ugly overweight women.
Fast forward to January 2009 and my trip to Pattaya. The place literally made me sick and ashamed to be a man. These young girls who should be dating, going to school, starting a family are in all of these bars selling everything they can for a few lousy dollars to mostly disgustingly ugly decrepit old farts.
Everywhere I went someone had something to sell which I didn't need. For the first time in my life my libido was repressed by the poverty, wasted youth, and squalor conditions of the place I chose for a vacation.
I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Albeit this is just one small place in Thailand, and the girls do need money, but I can't see how one can go there and not be moved by what one sees.
And then there are the Russians and Germans. I'm sitting on the beach when a group of Russians come up and order a bunch of coconuts. They refuse to pay the 25B about 1,000 won and instead give the poor lady 20B for each. I thought you cheap SOBs...
Then there was this German guy who I bumped into on the elevator. I was coming down from the 5th floor when the car stopped on the fourth. I quickly looked out, didn't see anybody there, so I waited for the door to close.
At the last second this German guy slams his fist into the car, walks inside at which point I apologized because I didn't see him. So he mutters to me, "I understand, no manners."
Just to let you know a little about me....I'm a history major...and something about Germans and the holocaust I can not get over. Something about a smug German just gets my blood boiling.
I was drinking and definitely not thinking. So I pushed the 3rd floor button and pushed the German and his girlfriend out of the elevator and said something to the effect of, "This is no manner fu.......
Well, the German called the police and they were actually going to arrest me. The German asks for 1,000 dollars and he will drop the charges. Lucky for me there was this British/Australian/ one of those countries guy who helped calm me down and explained to me how things work in Thailand. He helped me negotiate my fee down to 500 dollars with an apology. Thanks mate where ever you are!
I've never been so angry in my life...literally. If I would have had the chance, I would have killed him. Not hurt, not injured, killed.
I'm so glad to be back in Korea!
Anyway....hope you all had a great vacation too.
Z |
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afsjesse

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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No offense, but physical contact, even if its just pushing the guy out of the elevator, just for saying "no manners" is somewhat excessive IMHO. It's not like the guy punched you or called your mother a $%#%%$.
Anger management perhaps?
Glad you're okay, but learn to chill and not care what people think so much. |
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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thailand has turned into a cesspit with the human (mostly) male from the 'civilsed' world partaking in whats basically an orgy of drink and sex. Nothing wrong with that - but the girls who make this possible are so poor there is no other way for them to survive.
Thailand seems to attract the worst westerners to its shores - I really do feel sorry for the locals not part of the crap that brings these morons 12 hours on a plane to basically treat the place like a used condom! |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Why did you pay? Did he follow you around for an hour till the cops came?
What sort of sissy calls the cops for getting pushed...
THis story sounds fake. |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Location: Paradise
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Ukon wrote: |
Why did you pay? Did he follow you around for an hour till the cops came?
What sort of sissy calls the cops for getting pushed...
THis story sounds fake. |
This is how Europeans are taught to behave. |
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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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michaelambling wrote: |
Ukon wrote: |
Why did you pay? Did he follow you around for an hour till the cops came?
What sort of sissy calls the cops for getting pushed...
THis story sounds fake. |
This is how Europeans are taught to behave. |
Not quite - I don't think a Brit or an Irishman would have called the cops nor in my opinion would a Russian, Yugoslav, Pole, Spaniard or 'gasp' a FRENCHMAN!
However - good drills Zuelthe on giving this boxhead a shove in the right direction - too many Germans over there with their underage girlfriends strutting around thinking they own the place - nice work! |
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shapeshifter

Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Location: Paris
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: Korean perpective from a Thai Vacation |
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Zulethe wrote: |
Boy how I have changed. The first time I went to Thailand, I was in paradise and yes, I partook in every lascivious fantasy possible. I didn't feel guilty at all. I was depressed after returning to the states and the hordes of ugly overweight women.
Fast forward to January 2009 and my trip to Pattaya. The place literally made me sick and ashamed to be a man. These young girls who should be dating, going to school, starting a family are in all of these bars selling everything they can for a few lousy dollars to mostly disgustingly ugly decrepit old farts.
Everywhere I went someone had something to sell which I didn't need. For the first time in my life my libido was repressed by the poverty, wasted youth, and squalor conditions of the place I chose for a vacation.
I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Albeit this is just one small place in Thailand, and the girls do need money, but I can't see how one can go there and not be moved by what one sees.
And then there are the Russians and Germans. I'm sitting on the beach when a group of Russians come up and order a bunch of coconuts. They refuse to pay the 25B about 1,000 won and instead give the poor lady 20B for each. I thought you cheap SOBs...
Then there was this German guy who I bumped into on the elevator. I was coming down from the 5th floor when the car stopped on the fourth. I quickly looked out, didn't see anybody there, so I waited for the door to close.
At the last second this German guy slams his fist into the car, walks inside at which point I apologized because I didn't see him. So he mutters to me, "I understand, no manners."
Just to let you know a little about me....I'm a history major...and something about Germans and the holocaust I can not get over. Something about a smug German just gets my blood boiling.
I was drinking and definitely not thinking. So I pushed the 3rd floor button and pushed the German and his girlfriend out of the elevator and said something to the effect of, "This is no manner fu.......
Well, the German called the police and they were actually going to arrest me. The German asks for 1,000 dollars and he will drop the charges. Lucky for me there was this British/Australian/ one of those countries guy who helped calm me down and explained to me how things work in Thailand. He helped me negotiate my fee down to 500 dollars with an apology. Thanks mate where ever you are!
I've never been so angry in my life...literally. If I would have had the chance, I would have killed him. Not hurt, not injured, killed.
I'm so glad to be back in Korea!
Anyway....hope you all had a great vacation too.
Z |
You sound more than a little crazy. You"shoved" some guy's girlfriend over nothing at all, and you think he's the one with the problem.
Also, your thread title is odd and it makes me think you're considerably less bright than you imagine yourself to be. |
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the_wicker_man
Joined: 14 Jan 2009
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Korean perpective from a Thai Vacation |
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Zulethe wrote: |
Boy how I have changed. The first time I went to Thailand, I was in paradise and yes, I partook in every lascivious fantasy possible. I didn't feel guilty at all. I was depressed after returning to the states and the hordes of ugly overweight women.
Fast forward to January 2009 and my trip to Pattaya. The place literally made me sick and ashamed to be a man. These young girls who should be dating, going to school, starting a family are in all of these bars selling everything they can for a few lousy dollars to mostly disgustingly ugly decrepit old farts.
Everywhere I went someone had something to sell which I didn't need. For the first time in my life my libido was repressed by the poverty, wasted youth, and squalor conditions of the place I chose for a vacation.
I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Albeit this is just one small place in Thailand, and the girls do need money, but I can't see how one can go there and not be moved by what one sees.
And then there are the Russians and Germans. I'm sitting on the beach when a group of Russians come up and order a bunch of coconuts. They refuse to pay the 25B about 1,000 won and instead give the poor lady 20B for each. I thought you cheap SOBs...
Then there was this German guy who I bumped into on the elevator. I was coming down from the 5th floor when the car stopped on the fourth. I quickly looked out, didn't see anybody there, so I waited for the door to close.
At the last second this German guy slams his fist into the car, walks inside at which point I apologized because I didn't see him. So he mutters to me, "I understand, no manners."
Just to let you know a little about me....I'm a history major...and something about Germans and the holocaust I can not get over. Something about a smug German just gets my blood boiling.
I was drinking and definitely not thinking. So I pushed the 3rd floor button and pushed the German and his girlfriend out of the elevator and said something to the effect of, "This is no manner fu.......
Well, the German called the police and they were actually going to arrest me. The German asks for 1,000 dollars and he will drop the charges. Lucky for me there was this British/Australian/ one of those countries guy who helped calm me down and explained to me how things work in Thailand. He helped me negotiate my fee down to 500 dollars with an apology. Thanks mate where ever you are!
I've never been so angry in my life...literally. If I would have had the chance, I would have killed him. Not hurt, not injured, killed.
I'm so glad to be back in Korea!
Anyway....hope you all had a great vacation too.
Z |
Hi
I don't know why you picked Pattaya, the place is a hole. However, I am often told race mixing is beautiful and plenty of that goes on in Pattaya so I'm not certain what to think. I have been to Thailand 11 times and one day was spent in Pattaya. I left very quickly.
I have problems with your education and judgment. It sounds like you attacked him and then you got stiffed for $500. You aren't a very good attacker. Saying you are drunk isn't an excuse.
Your grasp of history is very bad for a history major. The biggest holocaust in the 1900's was not against the Jews but rather against Ukrainians and then against the people under the rule of the Soviets who went to on to kill 70 million more. Adolph Hitler actually worked against that. If you want to beat someone up, find someone with a Che T-shirt.
The biggest single mass murder of the time is named Lazar Kaganovitch who sent 20 million to the death camps. Kaganovitch was Jewish.
I think you were mad that someone was with "your women" and I think you just don't like Germans because they out create Koreans and that bothers you.
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it's full of stars

Joined: 26 Dec 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:12 am Post subject: |
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bundangbabo wrote: |
Thailand has turned into a cesspit with the human (mostly) male from the 'civilsed' world partaking in whats basically an orgy of drink and sex. Nothing wrong with that - but the girls who make this possible are so poor there is no other way for them to survive.
Thailand seems to attract the worst westerners to its shores - I really do feel sorry for the locals not part of the crap that brings these morons 12 hours on a plane to basically treat the place like a used condom! |
I can't agree with the bolded part. There are many other jobs in Thailand. Some are forced into prostitution, but my own opinion is that the vast majority of prostitutes in the tourist areas choose to work in the little bars in pattaya, bangkok, and the rest.
They choose these jobs because they think they will make a killing off the foreigner. Spend more time there, and you will see that there are millions of people working normal retail, service, and industrial jobs like in other countries.
The people who work in Pattaya etc in the bars are the Thai equivalent of trailer trash or chavs. |
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Drew345

Joined: 24 May 2005
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:23 am Post subject: |
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The OP made good points from his trip and I don't argue with them, they are his experiences and good points to be sure.
But I just want to defend Thailand a bit. I have been in Bangkok 4 weeks now, I come every winter. I haven't seen a bar, or a bargirl, though I did see an angry European once. In my day, I study Thai, lunch with foreigner friends, go to the gym, meet Thai friends, etc. I think there are 3 streets in Bangkok with that bargirl scene, in city of about 5 million or more. Admittedly, about half of Pattaya does seem about the bars.
Anyway, Thailand has a lot to offer and just stay away from Pattaya and 3 streets in Bangkok and you can avoid all those bar problems. Go to Chiang Mai and Pai in the north, or Saumi and PhaNga in the south. Or explore the "Maekong Riveria" with Isarn life. Or other countries are also great, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Nepal, all great. If Air Asia would just go to Korea, life would be great. |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:05 am Post subject: |
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OP, I think shoving the guy out of the elevator was funny.
I think associating modern day Germans with the holocaust is stupid.
I think waiting around for the cops to come was extremely stupid.
I'm glad this post is in the job discussion forum, too. |
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njp6

Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Location: Gangnam, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: |
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I hate to say it but when I try to display good manners (apologize for mistakenly not holding the door elevator door open for someone) and they accuse me of having bad manners, I get ill tempered real quick. Yeah, pushing the guy was not the wisest decision, but I understand where you are coming from. |
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soviet_man

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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And then there are the Russians and Germans. I'm sitting on the beach when a group of Russians come up and order a bunch of coconuts. They refuse to pay the 25B about 1,000 won and instead give the poor lady 20B for each. I thought you cheap SOBs... |
Yet more anti-Russian drivel being posted on this board.
What and Thais don't try to rip off tourists? ... Taxi drivers, sex workers, hotels, tours, restaurants, the whole lot.
It is absurd proposition. |
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losing_touch

Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Location: Ulsan - I think!
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have spent a significant amount of time in Thailand. This story is beyond comprehension. A $500 fine for such an incident is unheard of. Sorry, but this is a load of BS ..... |
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Gamecock

Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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What does this drivel have to do with "Korean perspective?" And why is it in the job-related forum? Congratulations, you're no longer on the 3rd world prostitution train. Welcome to the civilized world. Your next step towards quasi-maturity is to learn how to deal with other people different from yourself without immediately pre-judging them. Seems like self-righteousness is your new shtick. |
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