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blade



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: Iceland to get EU membership Reply with quote

Iceland to be fast-tracked into the EU
Plan for cash-strapped state to become member by 2011

Iceland will be put on a fast track to joining the European Union to rescue the small Arctic state from financial collapse amid rising expectations that it will apply for membership within months, senior policy-makers in Brussels and Reykjavik have told the Guardian.

The European commission is preparing itself for a membership bid, depending on the outcome of a snap general election expected in May. An application would be viewed very favourably in Brussels and the negotiations, which normally take many years, would be fast-forwarded to make Iceland the EU's 29th member in record time, probably in 2011.

Olli Rehn, the European commissioner in charge of enlargement, said: "The EU prefers two countries joining at the same time rather than individually. If Iceland applies shortly and the negotiations are rapid, Croatia and Iceland could join the EU in parallel. On Iceland, I hope I will be busier. It is one of the oldest democracies in the world and its strategic and economic positions would be an asset to the EU."

Rehn's support for swift Icelandic membership was echoed by senior European diplomats in Brussels. "We would like to see Iceland join the EU," said one. The current and next holders of the EU presidency, the Czechs and then the Swedes, are also strong supporters of EU enlargement and will deploy their agenda-setting powers to help Iceland.

The conservative government in Reykjavik, in power for 18 years, collapsed this week, the first government to fall as a result of the financial meltdown which has wrecked the Icelandic currency, the krona, wiped out savings and pensions, required a massive IMF bailout, sparked unprecedented riots in Reykjavik, and forced the formation of a caretaker centre-left government until new elections can be held, probably on 9 May.

EU membership will be a central theme of the election campaign, with the social democrats - the senior partner in the coalition interim government with the anti-EU Left Greens - pushing to join the EU and to swap the krona for the single European currency as soon as possible.

"The krona is dead. We need a new currency. The only serious option is the euro," said a senior Icelandic official.

The financial disaster in Iceland has triggered extreme volatility among voters. While there is support for joining the euro as a currency safe haven to protect Iceland from a battering by the markets, there is less enthusiasm for full EU membership, particularly among those in the vital fishing sector. This factor has fuelled talk of "unilateral euroisation", meaning that Iceland might join or use the single currency without being admitted to the EU. This is dismissed in Brussels as nonsense.

Though deeply indebted and in dire straits, the Icelandic economy is minuscule compared with the main EU member states and therefore unlikely to prove a destabilising force. Iceland has already secured a multibillion pound IMF loan and is unlikely to prove a drain on the EU budget.

But joining the euro is a different question. Despite growing sentiment in Iceland that Brussels and the single currency might be the remedy to the worst crisis the country has seen, the road to the euro is likely to be fraught with problems because of the strict rules governing the eurozone under the Maastrict treaty. Although the economic and financial crisis has seen a loosening of the single currency rulebook, current Icelandic interest rates of 18% would pose big problems for mainstream single currency members.

Already Christian Democrats in the Netherlands, the party of the prime minister, are coupling their hostility with Turkey's membership of the EU to criticism of Iceland's ambitions. Such hostility might increase but senior figures in the European commission believe that Reykjavik brings more assets than liabilities to the EU.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/30/iceland-join-eu
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is very interesting. I'll keep an eye out for more news on this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Iceland to get EU membership Reply with quote

blade wrote:
Iceland to be fast-tracked into the EU
Plan for cash-strapped state to become member by 2011

Iceland will be put on a fast track to joining the European Union to rescue the small Arctic state from financial collapse amid rising expectations that it will apply for membership within months, senior policy-makers in Brussels and Reykjavik have told the Guardian.

The European commission is preparing itself for a membership bid, depending on the outcome of a snap general election expected in May. An application would be viewed very favourably in Brussels and the negotiations, which normally take many years, would be fast-forwarded to make Iceland the EU's 29th member in record time, probably in 2011.

Olli Rehn, the European commissioner in charge of enlargement, said: "The EU prefers two countries joining at the same time rather than individually. If Iceland applies shortly and the negotiations are rapid, Croatia and Iceland could join the EU in parallel. On Iceland, I hope I will be busier. It is one of the oldest democracies in the world and its strategic and economic positions would be an asset to the EU."

Rehn's support for swift Icelandic membership was echoed by senior European diplomats in Brussels. "We would like to see Iceland join the EU," said one. The current and next holders of the EU presidency, the Czechs and then the Swedes, are also strong supporters of EU enlargement and will deploy their agenda-setting powers to help Iceland.

The conservative government in Reykjavik, in power for 18 years, collapsed this week, the first government to fall as a result of the financial meltdown which has wrecked the Icelandic currency, the krona, wiped out savings and pensions, required a massive IMF bailout, sparked unprecedented riots in Reykjavik, and forced the formation of a caretaker centre-left government until new elections can be held, probably on 9 May.

EU membership will be a central theme of the election campaign, with the social democrats - the senior partner in the coalition interim government with the anti-EU Left Greens - pushing to join the EU and to swap the krona for the single European currency as soon as possible.

"The krona is dead. We need a new currency. The only serious option is the euro," said a senior Icelandic official.

The financial disaster in Iceland has triggered extreme volatility among voters. While there is support for joining the euro as a currency safe haven to protect Iceland from a battering by the markets, there is less enthusiasm for full EU membership, particularly among those in the vital fishing sector. This factor has fuelled talk of "unilateral euroisation", meaning that Iceland might join or use the single currency without being admitted to the EU. This is dismissed in Brussels as nonsense.

Though deeply indebted and in dire straits, the Icelandic economy is minuscule compared with the main EU member states and therefore unlikely to prove a destabilising force. Iceland has already secured a multibillion pound IMF loan and is unlikely to prove a drain on the EU budget.

But joining the euro is a different question. Despite growing sentiment in Iceland that Brussels and the single currency might be the remedy to the worst crisis the country has seen, the road to the euro is likely to be fraught with problems because of the strict rules governing the eurozone under the Maastrict treaty. Although the economic and financial crisis has seen a loosening of the single currency rulebook, current Icelandic interest rates of 18% would pose big problems for mainstream single currency members.

Already Christian Democrats in the Netherlands, the party of the prime minister, are coupling their hostility with Turkey's membership of the EU to criticism of Iceland's ambitions. Such hostility might increase but senior figures in the European commission believe that Reykjavik brings more assets than liabilities to the EU.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/30/iceland-join-eu


If there aren't going to be serious consequences for making mistakes, why bother playing by the rules?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:30 am    Post subject: Re: Iceland to get EU membership Reply with quote

michaelambling wrote:


If there aren't going to be serious consequences for making mistakes, why bother playing by the rules?

Because not everyone in Iceland is responsible for what has happened to their countries economy!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:58 am    Post subject: Re: Iceland to get EU membership Reply with quote

blade wrote:
michaelambling wrote:


If there aren't going to be serious consequences for making mistakes, why bother playing by the rules?

Because not everyone in Iceland is responsible for what has happened to their countries economy!


Of course not, but that doesn't justify saving those people who ruined the economy with a euro-bailout. Same goes for the bailouts in America, China, etc. etc.

Forgive student debt and lower the obscene tax rate in Iceland. Oh, and deflate their currency--$8 for a hot dog is absurd.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What choice do they have? The economy and currency are destroyed.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
What choice do they have? The economy and currency are destroyed.


Exactly. Trading of the currency has stopped (the days of $8 hotdogs are long gone -- but don't tell the Danes), and the national debt eclipses the GDP more than sixfold. To make matters worse, the bankers who (legally) sent the country down the tubes by maximizing the atmosphere on unregulated financing have fled the country with their assets.

Now I'm not sure the EU is the right solution, but some sort of intervention is required. Joining the EU is pretty unpopular in Iceland on both sides of the political spectrum, though, because it would integrate their private fishing grounds into the EU's fishing regulations. This means possibly sharing with the UK, a death knell for one of the nation's largest and most viable industries.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They'll obviously be getting a pass on conforming to economic stats standards for EU membership.
That's sure to get Turkey angry.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's sure to get Turkey angry.


Not to mention Muslim voters everywhere in the EU.

Though since Iceland's human-rights record is unarguably better than Turkey's, the EU can always fall back on saying "well, it's not that Iceland is Christian and Turkey isn't. it's just that Iceland doesn't have coup d'etats etc".
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iceland is part of Europe. Culturally, historically, economically and politically.

Turkey is part of the muslim world.

Final answer. Full stop. I have a better chance of being admitted as a new EU state than does Turkey.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Iceland is part of Europe. Culturally, historically, economically and politically.

Turkey is part of the muslim world.

Final answer. Full stop. I have a better chance of being admitted as a new EU state than does Turkey.


You could be right. Although it looks as if at least a few Europeans are opposed to both Icelandic and Turkish membership...

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Already Christian Democrats in the Netherlands, the party of the prime minister, are coupling their hostility with Turkey's membership of the EU to criticism of Iceland's ambitions.


I guess another question I'd have is why now. Is it just because Iceland suddenly finds itself in the economic toilet, and wants a new currency and whatever freebies the EU is handing out? I haven't heard anything about previous Icelandic requests for membership.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two issues are related only in name. Turkey is a 71 million strong muslim nation. Iceland is a few hundred thousand, a failed currency and European values/traditions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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That's sure to get Turkey angry.


Not to mention Muslim voters everywhere in the EU.

Though since Iceland's human-rights record is unarguably better than Turkey's, the EU can always fall back on saying "well, it's not that Iceland is Christian and Turkey isn't. it's just that Iceland doesn't have coup d'etats etc".


Christianity/Muslimism has nothing to do with the Turkey/EU situation. Turkey still has the death penalty, which by itself disqualifies them from EU membership. Then there's Cyprus, their horrible animal abuse traditions, the Kurdish situation, their refusal to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, and their downright scary nationalist parties. There are TONS of reasons why Turkey is not a viable EU candidate, and religion is as big of a red herring as they come.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus Turkey borders on Iraq/Syria/Iran etc., Iceland sits between Greenland and the UK; Iceland has a total of a bit over 300,000; Sweden and Denmark are already members and have a ton of treaties with Iceland that have kept it in pretty close step with the union, etc. etc.

I hope to see Turkey in the EU one day but I seriously doubt anyone will be annoyed if Iceland gets in first. It's like Switzerland deciding it wants to join.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
Plus Turkey borders on Iraq/Syria/Iran etc., Iceland sits between Greenland and the UK; Iceland has a total of a bit over 300,000; Sweden and Denmark are already members and have a ton of treaties with Iceland that have kept it in pretty close step with the union, etc. etc.

I hope to see Turkey in the EU one day but I seriously doubt anyone will be annoyed if Iceland gets in first. It's like Switzerland deciding it wants to join.


Why would anyone want to see Turkey in the E.U?

Apart from a tiny sliver of the country,it's Asia,not Europe, with muslim culture and traditions.

Canada or Australia should be considered for E.U membership before Turkey.Both countries have have strong European backgrounds and were developed by people from the motherland.

Turkey in the E.U would spell the final days of Europe.
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