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michaelambling
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| Boy, Israel gets out of line and all of a sudden we have 15 threads on the Jews. |
I kind of noticed that, too. Maybe the JDL won't be short of work in the near future. |
I find it a bit surprising that Mises isn't more concerned about someone from one country being extradited to face hate-crime charges inanother country, given his deep concern(which I share) about Canadians being sujbected to domestic tribunals. |
Yeah, fair enough.
But put my reply in context. If this were a stand alone thread referencing Jews, I'd be much more receptive. But I actually counted. There were (are?) 15 on this page alone. |
I assure you, it's pure coincidence. I happened to see the news story that the Pope was reinstating a bishop who denies the Holocaust--it really had nothing to do with the recent silliness between Palestine and Israel. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, fair enough. Obviously thought crimes are absurd.
I've probably posted the Hitchens video below half a dozen times on Dave's, but it is the best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hg-Y7MugU |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Hmm I always kinda assumed that Extradition only covered actions that were illegal in both states? It seems odd that Australia would be compelled to extradite someone for an action that's not illegal in Australia. Or is holocaust denial illegal in Australia? |
It has nothing to do with Australia--the location of the servers is a non-sequitur, as has previously been noted. He was in the UK and extradited to Germany; in both countries, Holocaust denying is illegal, and it is an extraditable offense according to EU law. |
So let me get this straight: he is arrested in England to be extradited to Germany because of his website in Australia? He never even stepped foot in Germany!
So if anyone in the world denies the holocaust and transits Europe, they can be imprisoned in Germany? Actually, there was a law in Nazi Germany proscribing criticism of the Fatherland from abroad. Have we come full circle to fascism all over again? |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Boy, Israel gets out of line and all of a sudden we have 15 threads on the Jews. |
I kind of noticed that, too. Maybe the JDL won't be short of work in the near future. |
I find it a bit surprising that Mises isn't more concerned about someone from one country being extradited to face hate-crime charges inanother country, given his deep concern(which I share) about Canadians being sujbected to domestic tribunals. |
Yeah, fair enough.
But put my reply in context. If this were a stand alone thread referencing Jews, I'd be much more receptive. But I actually counted. There were (are?) 15 on this page alone. |
I'm just amazed there were 15 threads that weren't about Muslims or US presidents. That must be a forum record. |
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wesharris
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Sir, I may not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it.
--Someone Important said this --
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ED209
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Sir, I may not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it.
--Someone Important said this --
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I called for his death and they took him away. Guess he had a point. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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World Jewish leaders tell Vatican Holocaust denial is a crime
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World Jewish leaders told Vatican officials that denying the Holocaust was "not an opinion but a crime" when they met on Monday to discuss a bishop they accuse of being anti-Semitic.
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1062797.html
It's almost as if they have something to hide here. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I always wondered why so many are out to disprove the holocaust but not other genocides. Nothing to do with motives , nothing at all. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Is he a German national? If not, that's ridiculous. Even if he were I find this kind of state policing quite outrageous. I think that any public educational institute that didn't immediately fire him should be closed down, but whatever BS he wants to spew in the private realm is his business. |
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curiousaboutkorea
Joined: 21 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Toben is so far a great deal better off than holocaust denier Ernest Zundel who was arrested at his ranch by armed deputies in Tennessee on February 5 2003. He will if still alive complete his holocaust denial sentence in Germany in 2010. |
What they fail to mention here is that the US never arrested Zundel in order to extradite him to Germany for Holocaust Denial. He was arrested for overstaying his visa and deported to Canada. In turn, Canada deported him to Germany as his absence had led to his forfeiture of residency.
This article is biased as it's trying to draw the image that the US extradites people for this sort of thing. The article even talks about "Western law authorities" hunting down Holocaust Deniers.
As far as I could find, the US has never extradited someone for holocaust denial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| I always wondered why so many are out to disprove the holocaust but not other genocides. Nothing to do with motives , nothing at all. |
Well the Jewish Holocaust is the main one to have affected western society.
Wiki lists a few others that have entered the denial stage;
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Other genocide denials
Main article: Genocide denial
Other acts of genocide have met similar attempts to deny and minimize, most notably the Armenian Genocide and the Greek genocide, which is denied by the Turkish Government, but also the Rwanda genocide, Srebrenica Genocide, and the Ukrainian famine. Gregory H. Stanton, formerly of the US State Department and the founder of Genocide Watch, lists denial as the final stage of a genocide development: "Denial is the eighth stage that always follows a genocide. It is among the surest indicators of further genocidal massacres. The perpetrators of genocide dig up the mass graves, burn the bodies, try to cover up the evidence and intimidate the witnesses. They deny that they committed any crimes, and often blame what happened on the victims."[99] |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| So do we call the people calling it a crime to deny the Holocaust, Holocaust denier denier's?" |
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ED209
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| So do we call the people calling it a crime to deny the Holocaust, Holocaust denier denier's?" |
I wouldn't, so what does that make me? |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| We realize that the people who used to burn people at the stake for denying Jesus were wretched and almost always self-serving hypocrites, so when are we going to stop this witch-hunt of holocaust deniers? |
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