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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| Chuvok wrote: |
| ...and YOU as an american are to blame for it. |
Where are you from, by the way? Are you Canadian? |
He is Canadian. Has all the signs. |
Apparently.
Would you like to wager whether he is one of those Canadians who stresses Canadian-American friendship and goodwill and really wants B. Obama to embrace "Canadian content" in his music...? |
I'd figure he's more of the cynicism-as-politics type. The ones who want Obama to listen to The Tragically Hip to see how cool we are actually have goodwill towards the US, if in a self-aggrandizing way. |
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Insidejohnmalkovich
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Location: Pusan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Hopefully Iraq is the first of many more successful imperial adventures. <winks> |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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How many Iraqis had a secure life under Saddam?
How many Saddam killed and intended to kill needs to be counted in. and Saddam had ambitions far beyond Iraq. |
B.S.! That's dirty Fox News talk!!
Whether Saddam was good or bad, it wasn't any of the Bush family's business. Millions of Iraqis fled and are still scattered around the world as refugees, millions more are living in daily terror of being killed in the streets or while they sleep. Nearly every Iraqi family has lost someone to this foolish american invasion.
Do not insult those people by claiming their suffering is better than when Saddam was still around. People had normal lives under Saddam, even though the US was making every effort to sanction them to death for 10 years. It was the US who created and sustained the pain in Iraq, and YOU as an american are to blame for it. |
I don't understand. What does Saddam's regime have to do with what you complain about in the first paragraph? You need not approve of Saddam's regime to criticize American failures, and yet you seem to white-wash his reputation.
And how the hell are individual Americans to blame for what has gone wrong in Iraq?
Lets give you a chance to be coherent here. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Chuvok wrote: |
| ...and YOU as an american are to blame for it. |
Where are you from, by the way? Are you Canadian?
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He is Canadian. Has all the signs. |
Ah yeah, or a right-wing American trolling as a Canadian.
Chuvok:
Your post in pretty inflammatory, and really seems like just an attempt to entertain yourself by starting a flame war. If you really are serious about every American having blood on his hands because of sanctions, then you should also consider that Canada(and a lot of other countries) also participated in those sanctions as well.
http://tinyurl.com/b49bna |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:30 am Post subject: |
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If the goals were ONLY to:
1) Depose Sadam
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2) Spread democracy.
Well, those goals have been achieved I suppose. So does the end justify the means? Nobody has a right to answer that except for the Iraqi people since they made the BIGGEST sacrifice. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| Chuvok wrote: |
| It was the US who created and sustained the pain in Iraq, and YOU as an american are to blame for it. |
Here are some Americans who are against the war in Iraq. Of course, their names are on the terror watchlist now.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.spy18jul18,0,3787307.story
And sir, if you don't change your tune about the war in Iraq, we'll put you on the terror watchlist too.  |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever nationality the poster is he/she is obviously a troll. Just end it there.
As for the legacy of Bush in Iraq it will continue to be negative. Historians will conitnue to point out that the justification given for the war turned out to be false. We know now that Iraq was not a threat.
As for the elections, if that was the sole justification for invading Iraq do you really think the majority of the American people would have supported it? The majority now believe that the invasion was a mistake. |
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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Sometimes the only way to give birth to a new nation, is to SHATTER the old nation. We shattered the old, let us let in the new.
-=_=-
Wes |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Definitely a nice 'legacy' for some.
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Surprise! 'Billions Wasted' in Iraq Reconstruction
The Commission on Wartime Contracting, created last year by Congress to scrutinize government contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan for waste, fraud and abuse, is holding its first hearing today in Washington. The panel is kicking off with a headline act: Stuart Bowen, Jr., who has served as the top government watchdog for Iraq reconstruction since 2004.
Bowen is set to unveil a major report, "Hard Lessons: The Iraq Reconstruction Experience." (The full report is to be posted today at 10:00 a.m. on the Web site for the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction.) This door-stopper of a report scrutinizes the approximately $44 billion that has been allocated so far for Iraq reconstruction -- out of a total of $51 billion appropriated by Congress.
For anyone who has followed the issue, the conclusions are not surprising. In advance interviews, Bowen estimated that around 15 percent -- or $3 billion -- of the $20 billion allocated for big-ticket reconstruction projects in Iraq had been wasted. In a draft copy of the report that was leaked last year, Bowen recalled seeing bags of dollar bills literally being hauled out of the Republican Palace, headquarters of the Coalition Provisional Authority. "What I saw was troubling: large amounts of cash moving quickly out the door," he wrote. "Later that same day, walking the halls of the palace, I overheard someone say: 'We can�t do that anymore. There is a new inspector general here.'"
The colossal waste of taxpayer dollars in Iraq holds lessons for Afghanistan as well. The new wartime contracting commission -- inspired by the World War II-era Truman Committee -- will be investigating Afghanistan projects for potential waste, fraud and abuse, and they'll have their hands full. As Secretary of Defense Robert Gates so diplomatically put it last week, coordination of aid and reconstruction to Afghanistan has been "less than stellar." |
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/02/surprise-billio.html |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Definitely a nice 'legacy' for some.
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Surprise! 'Billions Wasted' in Iraq Reconstruction
The Commission on Wartime Contracting, created last year by Congress to scrutinize government contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan for waste, fraud and abuse, is holding its first hearing today in Washington. The panel is kicking off with a headline act: Stuart Bowen, Jr., who has served as the top government watchdog for Iraq reconstruction since 2004.
Bowen is set to unveil a major report, "Hard Lessons: The Iraq Reconstruction Experience." (The full report is to be posted today at 10:00 a.m. on the Web site for the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction.) This door-stopper of a report scrutinizes the approximately $44 billion that has been allocated so far for Iraq reconstruction -- out of a total of $51 billion appropriated by Congress.
For anyone who has followed the issue, the conclusions are not surprising. In advance interviews, Bowen estimated that around 15 percent -- or $3 billion -- of the $20 billion allocated for big-ticket reconstruction projects in Iraq had been wasted. In a draft copy of the report that was leaked last year, Bowen recalled seeing bags of dollar bills literally being hauled out of the Republican Palace, headquarters of the Coalition Provisional Authority. "What I saw was troubling: large amounts of cash moving quickly out the door," he wrote. "Later that same day, walking the halls of the palace, I overheard someone say: 'We can�t do that anymore. There is a new inspector general here.'"
The colossal waste of taxpayer dollars in Iraq holds lessons for Afghanistan as well. The new wartime contracting commission -- inspired by the World War II-era Truman Committee -- will be investigating Afghanistan projects for potential waste, fraud and abuse, and they'll have their hands full. As Secretary of Defense Robert Gates so diplomatically put it last week, coordination of aid and reconstruction to Afghanistan has been "less than stellar." |
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/02/surprise-billio.html |
I'm happy I'm not paying U.S. taxes these days, although I do feel sorry for friends and family back home who are getting stuck with this ginormous bill.
I didn't vote for Bush, I knew the Iraq War was mistake, and I'll be damned before I fucking help pay for it.
And screw Fox News and that a-hole Rupert Murdoch, too. The Australian government should issue a statement of apology for that great nation having launched that creep onto the world.
(Just thought I might as well throw that in that last bit.) |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:13 am Post subject: |
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At the time of the invasion, I was deeply sympathetic to the goals being discussed (democracy, and a domino effect). I didn't think it was worth the cost (which was more than my worst expectations).
I hope America was successful in remaking that country. I am very skeptical for a variety of reasons. |
Freedom is always worth the cost. Think of all the people that are now living in freedom. Women considering futures with education and freedom, peace between two powerful enemies, men turning their hatred into creativity and children begining to find that they can hope for a better future. It's truly a miracle what's happening in the middle east. Don't underestimate the audacity of true hope.  |
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Jake.K
Joined: 17 Oct 2008
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The Iraqis will love USA for all eternity as long as US doesn't take advantage of its power over Iraq right now.
I shall praise USA and Bush's decision to begin the war as long as
-US doesn't establish any military bases in Iraq
-fairly trade Iraqi oil
-does not put Iraq's natural resources under the control of USA's private firms.
So far the chance seems slim. |
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