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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:36 am    Post subject: The War on Terror Is a Hoax Reply with quote

The War on Terror is a Hoax

By Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21906.htm

February 04, 2009 Information Clearinghouse" -- - According to US government propaganda, terrorist cells are spread throughout America, making it necessary for the government to spy on all Americans and violate most other constitutional protections. Among President Bush�s last words as he left office was the warning that America would soon be struck again by Muslim terrorists.

If America were infected with terrorists, we would not need the government to tell us. We would know it from events. As there are no events, the US government substitutes warnings in order to keep alive the fear that causes the public to accept pointless wars, the infringement of civil liberty, national ID cards, and inconveniences and harassments when they fly.

The most obvious indication that there are no terrorist cells is that not a single neocon has been assassinated.

I do not approve of assassinations, and am ashamed of my country�s government for engaging in political assassination. The US and Israel have set a very bad example for al Qaeda to follow.

The US deals with al Qaeda and Taliban by assassinating their leaders, and Israel deals with Hamas by assassinating its leaders. It is reasonable to assume that al Qaeda would deal with the instigators and leaders of America�s wars in the Middle East in the same way.

Today every al Qaeda member is aware of the complicity of neoconservatives in the death and devastation inflicted on Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Gaza. Moreover, neocons are highly visible and are soft targets compared to Hamas and Hezbollah leaders. Neocons have been identified in the media for years, and as everyone knows, multiple listings of their names are available online.

Neocons do not have Secret Service protection. Dreadful to contemplate, but it would be child�s play for al Qaeda to assassinate any and every neocon. Yet, neocons move around freely, a good indication that the US does not have a terrorist problem.

If, as neocons constantly allege, terrorists can smuggle nuclear weapons or dirty bombs into the US with which to wreak havoc upon our cities, terrorists can acquire weapons with which to assassinate any neocon or former government official.

Yet, the neocons, who are the Americans most hated by Muslims, remain unscathed.

The �war on terror� is a hoax that fronts for American control of oil pipelines, the profits of the military-security complex, the assault on civil liberty by fomenters of a police state, and Israel�s territorial expansion.

There were no al Qaeda in Iraq until the Americans brought them there by invading and overthrowing Saddam Hussein, who kept al Qaeda out of Iraq. The Taliban is not a terrorist organization, but a movement attempting to unify Afghanistan under Muslim law. The only Americans threatened by the Taliban are the Americans Bush sent to Afghanistan to kill Taliban and to impose a puppet state on the Afghan people.

Hamas is the democratically elected government of Palestine, or what little remains of Palestine after Israel�s illegal annexations. Hamas is a terrorist organization in the same sense that the Israeli government and the US government are terrorist organizations. In an effort to bring Hamas under Israeli hegemony, Israel employs terror bombing and assassinations against Palestinians. Hamas replies to the Israeli terror with homemade and ineffectual rockets.

Hezbollah represents the Shi�ites of southern Lebanon, another area in the Middle East that Israel seeks for its territorial expansion.

The US brands Hamas and Hezbollah �terrorist organizations� for no other reason than the US is on Israel�s side of the conflict. There is no objective basis for the US Department of State�s �finding� that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. It is merely a propagandistic declaration.

Americans and Israelis do not call their bombings of civilians terror. What Americans and Israelis call terror is the response of oppressed people who are stateless because their countries are ruled by puppets loyal to the oppressors. These people, dispossessed of their own countries, have no State Departments, Defense Departments, seats in the United Nations, or voices in the mainstream media. They can submit to foreign hegemony or resist by the limited means available to them.

The fact that Israel and the United States carry on endless propaganda to prevent this fundamental truth from being realized indicates that it is Israel and the US that are in the wrong and the Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis, and Afghans who are being wronged.

The retired American generals who serve as war propagandists for Fox �News� are forever claiming that Iran arms the Iraqi and Afghan insurgents and Hamas. But where are the arms? To deal with American tanks, insurgents have to construct homemade explosive devices out of artillery shells. After six years of conflict the insurgents still have no weapon against the American helicopter gunships. Contrast this �arming� with the weaponry the US supplied to the Afghans three decades ago when they were fighting to drive out the Soviets.

The films of Israel�s murderous assault on Gaza show large numbers of Gazans fleeing from Israeli bombs or digging out the dead and maimed, and none of these people are armed. A person would think that by now every Palestinian would be armed, every man, woman, and child. Yet, all the films of the Israeli attack show an unarmed population. Hamas has to construct homemade rockets that are little more than a sign of defiance. If Hamas were armed by Iran, Israel�s assault on Gaza would have cost Israel its helicopter gunships, its tanks, and hundreds of lives of its soldiers.

Hamas is a small organization armed with small caliber rifles incapable of penetrating body armor. Hamas is unable to stop small bands of Israeli settlers from descending on West Bank Palestinian villages, driving out the Palestinians, and appropriating their land.

The great mystery is: why after 60 years of oppression are the Palestinians still an unarmed people? Clearly, the Muslim countries are complicit with Israel and the US in keeping the Palestinians unarmed.

The unsupported assertion that Iran supplies sophisticated arms to the Palestinians is like the unsupported assertion that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. These assertions are propagandistic justifications for killing Arab civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure in order to secure US and Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The War on Terror is a Hoax

By Paul Craig Roberts



9-11 conspiracy theorist.


Oh Informationclearinghouse.

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yawarakaijin



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: The War on Terror Is a Hoax Reply with quote

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The retired American generals who serve as war propagandists for Fox �News� are forever claiming that Iran arms the Iraqi and Afghan insurgents and Hamas. But where are the arms? To deal with American tanks, insurgents have to construct homemade explosive devices out of artillery shells. After six years of conflict the insurgents still have no weapon against the American helicopter gunships. Contrast this �arming� with the weaponry the US supplied to the Afghans three decades ago when they were fighting to drive out the Soviets.



I don't know about this posters intentions or political leaning nor do I know much about the original author but I think it's is a valid point.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does not matter how valid a point is. If the writer backs it up and researches it. Joo will immediately devalidate it by stating that the writer does not belong to the proper group of right wing neo conservative hawks he prescribes to.

It works great for him.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: The War on Terror Is a Hoax Reply with quote

yawarakaijin wrote:
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The retired American generals who serve as war propagandists for Fox �News� are forever claiming that Iran arms the Iraqi and Afghan insurgents and Hamas. But where are the arms? To deal with American tanks, insurgents have to construct homemade explosive devices out of artillery shells. After six years of conflict the insurgents still have no weapon against the American helicopter gunships. Contrast this �arming� with the weaponry the US supplied to the Afghans three decades ago when they were fighting to drive out the Soviets.



I don't know about this posters intentions or political leaning nor do I know much about the original author but I think it's is a valid point.



It is not just FOX news that is making the claim or tetired Generals


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/


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Shipment of high explosives intercepted in Iraq
Most sophisticated of roadside bombs reportedly coming from Iran

Most viewed on msnbc.com
By Jim Miklaszewski
Chief Pentagon correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:54 p.m. ET, Thurs., Aug. 4, 2005



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/
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As for US helicopters


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Military: U.S. Apache Helicopter Shot Down in Iraq

Saturday, February 03, 2007


BAGHDAD, Iraq � The U.S. military confirmed Friday that an Apache helicopter was shot down by enemy fire in Iraq, bringing to four the total of U.S. choppers that have crashed in there this month.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249798,00.html




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U.S. Apache Shot Down in Baghdad

Sunday , April 11, 2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq �
Insurgents shot down a U.S. Apache (search) helicopter in west Baghdad on Sunday, the military said. The fate of its two-member crew was unknown. Heavy fighting was taking place in the area for the third straight day.



http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,116776,00.html


For the record for a while the US didn't have that many Apache helicopters in Afghanistan.
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U.S. May Redeploy Apache Attack Helicopters to Afghanistan

It seems that a battalion of Apache attack helicopters based in Korea may be going to Afghanistan.

The United States is considering pulling a battalion of Apache attack helicopters out of the Korean Peninsula to deploy it to Afghanistan on an anti-terror mission, a senior diplomat said Wednesday.

The plan could create a possible security vacuum in South Korea as the high-tech U.S. attack helicopters are key assets of U.S. forces in Korea (USFK) against North Korea.

It also runs counter to pledges made by U.S. President George W. Bush during a summit with President Lee Myung-bak last month that the United States will halt the agreed reduction of troops and weapons systems to help strengthen the combined defense posture on the peninsula.

�There has been informal, periodic discussions on the Apache issue,� the official of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade said on condition of anonymity. �But it will not affect the U.S. troop level in South Korea.�

The USFK is refusing to confirm the above report.


http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/05/01/us-may-redeploy-apache-attack-helicopters-to-afghanistan/



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But the US has been losing helicopters all the while.


anadian Among 7 Killed When U.S. Helicopter Shot Down in Afghanistan

Posted on: Thursday, 31 May 2007, 15:00 CDT

By STEPHANIE LEVITZ

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (CP) - A Canadian military photographer was among seven soldiers killed in southern Afghanistan when their helicopter was apparently shot down near the site of a recent battle in Helmand province.

The Canadian military said Thursday that Master Cpl. Darrell Jason Priede, 30, based at CFB Gagetown, N.B., died along with five Americans and a Briton when the CH-47 Chinook went down late Wednesday.

Initial reports suggested the helicopter was hit with a rocket-propelled grenade, said a U.S. official who insisted on speaking anonymously because the crash was still under investigation. NATO said there were no survivors.


http://www.redorbit.com/news/international/952016/canadian_among_7_killed_when_us_helicopter_shot_down_in/index.html

Seems like Paul Craig Roberts didn't do his research.


Also for the record Iran doesn't produce stinger (anti helicopter gun ship missiles.


Not surprising modus operandi of the far left and the far right is to make as many accusations and charges as possible. Any charge that is not answered is counted as a success. The object is not the truth but to obscure the truth.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

riverboy wrote:
It does not matter how valid a point is. If the writer backs it up and researches it. Joo will immediately devalidate it by stating that the writer does not belong to the proper group of right wing neo conservative hawks he prescribes to.

It works great for him.


Everyone has a right to question the government but no one has a right to question the motives of those who question the government. Works great for left wing extremists and counterpunch followers like you.


No one ought to point out that Paul Craig Roberts is a 9-11 conspiracy theorist and that information clearing house (who will link you to whatreallyhappened )is being used . Some topics are taboo.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
riverboy wrote:
It does not matter how valid a point is. If the writer backs it up and researches it. Joo will immediately devalidate it by stating that the writer does not belong to the proper group of right wing neo conservative hawks he prescribes to.

It works great for him.


Everyone has a right to question the government but no one has a right to question the motives of those who question the government. Works great for left wing extremists and counterpunch followers like you.


Save your crocodile tears. It's your method of questioning motives that causes you to fail, not some imaginary bias.

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No one ought to point out that Paul Craig Roberts is a 9-11 conspiracy theorist and that information clearing house (who will link you to whatreallyhappened )is being used . Some topics are taboo.


If you want to consider logical fallacies taboo, please do.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Answer me two questions Joo. I don't ask them in order to excuse or legitimize Iranian actions in the region.

1.) Do you think Iranian support for the insurgency in Iraq is equivalent to the suppourt the US offered the Afghani resistance during the Soviets' incursion into Afghanistan in terms of strategic/military advantage. I'm thinking of a tipping point here. Many argue that the introduction of Stinger missles from the US was a key factor in driving Russian forces out of Afghanistan, directly leading to the loss of Russian aircraft, and on the ground, limiting the effectiveness of russian ground operations.

2.) If you had been a Russian commander what would you have done to the Americans if you knew you could have gotten away with it?

I suspect Joo, that your argument will simply boil down to "It's ok, because we were the good guys. They can't do it because they are the bad guys." What's good for the goose is good for the gander no?

It's quite ironic don't you think? What Afghanistan really needs is for all it's Islamic fundamentalists to be wiped out. I suspect the Russians would have been more successful in eventually carrying that out if we hadn't gotten involved.

In regards to Americans losing the occassional helicopter. The region is virtually awash in the RPG-7. Everyone and their dog owns one in Iraq. Every once in a while some dink is going to get lucky with one and take down a helicopter. Imagine if they had stingers, it would be a totally different story.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deadman wrote:
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
riverboy wrote:
It does not matter how valid a point is. If the writer backs it up and researches it. Joo will immediately devalidate it by stating that the writer does not belong to the proper group of right wing neo conservative hawks he prescribes to.

It works great for him.


Everyone has a right to question the government but no one has a right to question the motives of those who question the government. Works great for left wing extremists and counterpunch followers like you.


Save your crocodile tears. It's your method of questioning motives that causes you to fail, not some imaginary bias.

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No one ought to point out that Paul Craig Roberts is a 9-11 conspiracy theorist and that information clearing house (who will link you to whatreallyhappened )is being used . Some topics are taboo.


If you want to consider logical fallacies taboo, please do.


Method of questioning is fine.

The far right and the far left are up to nothing but disinformation.

And no one has to keep answering their charges, when you darn well know what their motives are. No need to keep playing defense when it is much more effective to go on offense. Since the motives of those on the far left and the far right are so clear better just take them out with whatever you got.

No one ought to have to keep answering their charges.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

="yawarakaijin"]
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Answer me two questions Joo. I don't ask them in order to excuse or legitimize Iranian actions in the region.

1.) Do you think Iranian support for the insurgency in Iraq is equivalent to the suppourt the US offered the Afghani resistance during the Soviets' incursion into Afghanistan in terms of strategic/military advantage. I'm thinking of a tipping point here. Many argue that the introduction of Stinger missles from the US was a key factor in driving Russian forces out of Afghanistan, directly leading to the loss of Russian aircraft, and on the ground, limiting the effectiveness of russian ground operations.




The US would not be out to get Iran if Iran were not out to export its revolution/ conquer the gulf / control the gulf in order force the US not to have military / trade / diplomatic ties / relationships with nations they don't approve of.

The US used to get along with Iran just fine. Yes the Shah was a thug but not anymore of a thug than Khomeni.

And very important.The US has even tried apologizing to Iran for its support of the Shah . Didn't do any good.


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2.) If you had been a Russian commander what would you have done to the Americans if you knew you could have gotten away with it?


I think the Russians during the cold war were out to get the US and tried everything they could get away with.
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I suspect Joo, that your argument will simply boil down to "It's ok, because we were the good guys. They can't do it because they are the bad guys." What's good for the goose is good for the gander no?


North Korea did bad stuff during the Korean war

The US did bad stuff during the Korean war.


What were the goals and objectives of each side? That is what is most important.



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It's quite ironic don't you think? What Afghanistan really needs is for all it's Islamic fundamentalists to be wiped out. I suspect the Russians would have been more successful in eventually carrying that out if we hadn't gotten involved.


Good point.

you have a good point. but is more about wisdom than morality.

The Soviets or more than a few of those in their leadership were out to destroy the US.


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In regards to Americans losing the occassional helicopter. The region is virtually awash in the RPG-7. Everyone and their dog owns one in Iraq. Every once in a while some dink is going to get lucky with one and take down a helicopter. Imagine if they had stingers, it would be a totally different story.


Sure but Iran doesn't make them. Russia isn't even eager to sell them to Iran.

If Iran made stingers they would have probably sent them to the Iraqi insurgents and the Taliban , maybe even Al Qaeda.


Here is a simple guide to Iran.


Ayatollah Khomeni hated the US and wanted to see revolution allthough the mideast . Ali Khamani hates the US and wants to see the revolution .. Amadinajad hates the US and wants to see the revolution . Khamani and Amadinahad are in power.

Khatami , Rafasanji and Larajani don't really hate the US but they are not in power.

It is very simple.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

The far right and the far left are up to nothing but disinformation.


This statement demonstrates precisely the fundamental flaw in your position and arguments:

Anyone who disagrees (however you choose to label them) is up to nothing but disinformation.

And therefore, you imply, you provide nothing but objectively true, honest information totally free from bias or agenda.

That's the same self serving good guy/bad guy division was pointed out by yawarakaijin.

Face it Joo - even Adolph Hitler could make a statement that is completely true. Even someone whose avowed intention is to wipe you and your people from the face of the earth, could say something that is completely and utterly true in all respects, even if by saying so they were advancing their agenda.

Yes, we should take biases into account, but the source of information alone is not enough to automatically discredit an argument. It's a logical fallacy for a reason! And you do it CONSTANTLY!!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
And no one has to keep answering their charges, when you darn well know what their motives are. No need to keep playing defense when it is much more effective to go on offense. Since the motives of those on the far left and the far right are so clear better just take them out with whatever you got.

No one ought to have to keep answering their charges.


It must be tough to constantly have to justify the existence of a state based on a racially supremacist ideology to people who don't benefit from it.

Anyway, keep fighting the good fight, with whatever cheap or dirty tactics you need to use. No need to feel ashamed. It's OK to put the interests of your race ahead of others. After all, they would do worse to you. You are the good guys, don't forget.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Screed.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="deadman"]
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

The far right and the far left are up to nothing but disinformation.


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This statement demonstrates precisely the fundamental flaw in your position and arguments:

Anyone who disagrees (however you choose to label them) is up to nothing but disinformation.


No far right and the far left w/ their conspiracy theories , selective one sided criticism that is masquarding as objective analysis. That is what they do.

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And therefore, you imply, you provide nothing but objectively true, honest information totally free from bias or agenda.


Usually much better that what they say. Again I don't see why I have to answer their charges , better just to point out look at the source.

Hey Deadman look at the source.




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That's the same self serving good guy/bad guy division was pointed out by yawarakaijin.


No it is different.

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Face it Joo - even Adolph Hitler could make a statement that is completely true. Even someone whose avowed intention is to wipe you and your people from the face of the earth, could say something that is completely and utterly true in all respects, even if by saying so they were advancing their agenda.


Sure he could say something true, but he would also just as likely or more so say something to misinform or deceive.

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Yes, we should take biases into account, but the source of information alone is not enough to automatically discredit an argument. It's a logical fallacy for a reason! And you do it CONSTANTLY!!! Laughing



For the most part the far right and the far left and conspiracy theorist aren't out to inform they are out to misinform.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

="deadman"]
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
And no one has to keep answering their charges, when you darn well know what their motives are. No need to keep playing defense when it is much more effective to go on offense. Since the motives of those on the far left and the far right are so clear better just take them out with whatever you got.

No one ought to have to keep answering their charges.
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It must be tough to constantly have to justify the existence of a state based on a racially supremacist ideology to people who don't benefit from it.



]Not that tough when that state is surrounded by enemies that practice more racist racially supremacist ideologies All you gotta do is point that out and the argument changes in many ways. Selective one sided criticism masquerading as objective analysis is dishonest. Nothing wrong with saying it.

Deadman is a follower of the vile cult of David Icke. It is fair to mention that too.



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Anyway, keep fighting the good fight, with whatever cheap or dirty tactics you need to use. No need to feel ashamed. It's OK to put the interests of your race ahead of others. After all, they would do worse to you. You are the good guys, don't forget.


No need to answer the charges every time. That is the technique of the far right the far left and the conspiracy theorists. Just make as many charges and accusations as possible. Again elective one sided criticism masquerading as objective analysis is dishonest. Nothing wrong with saying it.

Deadman is a follower of the vile neo nazi cult of David Icke. It is fair to mention that too.
David Icke followers are worthless human beings.

In that case it is appropriate to say look at the source.

Quote : Deadman
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conspiracy theory selective one sided criticism masquerading as objective analysis / misinformation.


Yep just look at the source.
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