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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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 Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject: Modern visa rules come from '84 sex scandal with foreigner |
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http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/02/05/english-teachers-file-complaint-with-human-rights-commission/#comment-210923
| sanshinseon wrote: |
Yes � when i was first working for the hagwans here there were no checks of any kind, you didn�t need to show that you had a degree, just if the owner invited you to be an employee, and agreed to �sponsor� (take some limited responsibility for) you, then you got the working (teaching) visa. But then that hagwan owner didn�t �own� you, you could quit (or be let go) and work for someone else, or go entirely independent teaching privates, whatever � until your one-year visa ran out.
In that �freedom of employment� factor it was much better. Should be noted that there were relatively very few Westerners teaching English here in those days, nothing remotely like today; those that were here were more appreciated for �helping Korea get modernized� and were not any kind of a negative social issue (the G.I.s handily filled the role of disparaged foreign demon).
It was like that until 1984, when the French scandal impelled the government to impose restrictions such as the original visa sponsor becoming your slave-owner. Many good and self-respecting teachers left Korea at that point, in a kind of protest. Others like myself decided to upgrade from hagwans, as better opportunities were slowly spreading�. |
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/02/05/english-teachers-file-complaint-with-human-rights-commission/#comment-210954
| seouldout your flag wrote: |
If memory serves me right there was a Frenchman who was arrested for illegally teaching. English I believe - this is long before Quebecois overran the place. There were allegations of sexual hijinks; not rape or molestation or train groping, but lots of consenting fornication w/ Korean women�who ought to have paid better attention in the Korean ethics class. They must�ve been worried they�d be caught outside after curfew, so they hooked up w/ him - those were the days. Anyway, upon his deportation at Kimpo the press (all of them, the entire nation�s) recorded him announcing how much he enjoyed banging their women. And how much the Korean women enjoyed being banged. He may have even declared, �I shall return. To bang again. Au revoir.�
The new laws effectively stopped future scandals. |
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/02/05/english-teachers-file-complaint-with-human-rights-commission/#comment-211003
| sanshinseon your flag wrote: |
| The way i remember the 1984 French Scandal differs just slightly from seouldout � as is typical with folklore � my feble brain does not include airport boasting, but says that he returned to France he published an article bragging about how easy it was to make money teaching English despite being French, and how easy it was to seduce/bang naieve Korean virgins, tell them any kind of BS. A K-guy in Paris sent a translation of it to all K newspapers, and a shitstorm broke out. We got new laws. I would guess that details on this could only be found in old K papers � the Times & Herald didn�t usually publish much scandal back then � just as today, they still cover much up� �plus la change, plus la meme chose� or somethin� |
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SHANE02
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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I had to be a frenchman.  |
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Xuanzang
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| frenchie = The original Mr. Takeshima |
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sarbonn
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, gotta hand it to him. If you're going to be deported from a country, being deported for having too much sex with too many women sounds like one of those things you'd not be embarrassed to tell everyone you came across for the rest of your life. |
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ciccone_youth
Joined: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Those dirty Quebecois!!
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Strange... I was teaching here in '84, but I don't remember such a scandal. That doesn't mean it didn't happen; I just don't remember hearing about it. |
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Pojogae
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| sarbonn wrote: |
| Well, gotta hand it to him. If you're going to be deported from a country, being deported for having too much sex with too many women sounds like one of those things you'd not be embarrassed to tell everyone you came across for the rest of your life. |
It would be good if they stamped the reason into your passport as well. What a souvenir! |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Frenchie
DOB: June 6, 1945
VISA status:
원어민 선생님
cancelled re: whoring |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| bluelake wrote: |
| Strange... I was teaching here in '84, but I don't remember such a scandal. That doesn't mean it didn't happen; I just don't remember hearing about it. |
Do you remember the visa rules changing around that time? |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
| Strange... I was teaching here in '84, but I don't remember such a scandal. That doesn't mean it didn't happen; I just don't remember hearing about it. |
Do you remember the visa rules changing around that time? |
Not that I can remember. Foreign English teachers were not very common then. English teaching outside of the schools was done, of course, but it was a symbol of class warfare between the Haves and Have-nots; those with money could afford teachers, while those without could not. Because of that, there were not really any hakwons as we know them today and few foreign teachers taught in the middle and high schools. It wasn't until years later before the gov't loosened up restrictions on teaching. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| bluelake wrote: |
| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
| Strange... I was teaching here in '84, but I don't remember such a scandal. That doesn't mean it didn't happen; I just don't remember hearing about it. |
Do you remember the visa rules changing around that time? |
Not that I can remember. Foreign English teachers were not very common then. English teaching outside of the schools was done, of course, but it was a symbol of class warfare between the Haves and Have-nots; those with money could afford teachers, while those without could not. Because of that, there were not really any hakwons as we know them today and few foreign teachers taught in the middle and high schools. It wasn't until years later before the gov't loosened up restrictions on teaching. |
What I mean is ... Nowadays, E-2ers typically have a one-year contract. If you quit before that year is up, you cannot look for a new job unless your boss gives you a letter of release. (Would a boss who's so bad that you quit give you permission to look for a new job? Probably not.) Without that letter, you must leave or be deported. Even with that letter, you still have to leave soon after you quit. Even if you find a new job, you still have to leave and process the new visa abroad.
Apparently, back in those days, if you quit, you could look for a new job during the remainder of your visa stay. You didn't have to leave until your visa expired. You weren't a slave owned by your boss. |
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SHANE02
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Xuanzang wrote: |
Frenchie
DOB: June 6, 1945
VISA status:
원어민 선생님
cancelled re: whoring |
(Multiple Entry) |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Joke of the year! lol |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:46 am Post subject: |
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1984 
that is where this country is at
more and more each day |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
| Strange... I was teaching here in '84, but I don't remember such a scandal. That doesn't mean it didn't happen; I just don't remember hearing about it. |
Do you remember the visa rules changing around that time? |
Not that I can remember. Foreign English teachers were not very common then. English teaching outside of the schools was done, of course, but it was a symbol of class warfare between the Haves and Have-nots; those with money could afford teachers, while those without could not. Because of that, there were not really any hakwons as we know them today and few foreign teachers taught in the middle and high schools. It wasn't until years later before the gov't loosened up restrictions on teaching. |
What I mean is ... Nowadays, E-2ers typically have a one-year contract. If you quit before that year is up, you cannot look for a new job unless your boss gives you a letter of release. (Would a boss who's so bad that you quit give you permission to look for a new job? Probably not.) Without that letter, you must leave or be deported. Even with that letter, you still have to leave soon after you quit. Even if you find a new job, you still have to leave and process the new visa abroad.
Apparently, back in those days, if you quit, you could look for a new job during the remainder of your visa stay. You didn't have to leave until your visa expired. You weren't a slave owned by your boss. |
I'm not sure if they had those rules back then (regarding LOR); it's possible, but when I was done teaching, I just left (along with my wife).
One thing I do remember is the residency book I had to carry (instead of the card we have today); it was about the same dimensions as a card, but had several pages in it for amendments and extensions (along with one's 3x4 picture). |
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