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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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It's a fact that natural selection, heredity, adaptation, etc. are material mechanisms of evolution, but spiritual evolution (and the subtle mechanisms and laws governing transmigration of the soul) based on the various desires of the living entity to enjoy matter in different modes of nature (goodness, passion, and ignorance) more completely explains - from a philosophical perspective - why there are so many varieties of species (and levels of consciousness...)
More on ancient Vedic view of evolution here ...
http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/planetarium/human.htm
http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/planetarium/index.htm |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| It's a fact that natural selection, heredity, adaptation, etc. are material mechanisms of evolution, but spiritual evolution (and the subtle mechanisms and laws governing transmigration of the soul) based on the various desires of the living entity to enjoy matter in different modes of nature (goodness, passion, and ignorance) more completely explains - from a philosophical perspective - why there are so many varieties of species (and levels of consciousness...) |
How does "spiritual evolution" "more completely" explain diversity of species than the aforementioned, fairly well understood material mechanisms? Oh, from a "philosophical perspective" of course.
I'm beginning to think your understanding of this subject is limited to little more than buzzwords drilled into you by rote. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:11 am Post subject: |
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I've written two very elaborate, lengthy replies that have been lost in cyberspace so I'll make this very brief and link to an article that explains it in more detail.
Methodological naturalism may be a legitimate approach for explaining nature's mechanisms - even within a theistic conception.
However, it arguably can not explain how free, non-physical agents affect this world.
In order to understand that, one has to follow the path chalked out by liberated souls who are not controlled by the material modes of nature.
Basically, our consciousness needs to be purified from the accumulated contamination/ material conceptions from our long journey of millions of years in the cycle of evolution before we can realize our true self and God.
http://www.iskcon.com/icj/10/05-edelmann.html |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| "Free, non-physical agents"? Like what? |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:46 am Post subject: |
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God - and liberated emissaries from the spritual world.
Ordinarily God doesn't interfere in material affairs, but once-in-a while He does ...
From the spiritual perspective, we're all essentially nonphysical entities - as minute part-and-parcels of the Supreme Spirit.
And spirit controls matter.
God in the form of time controls everything... |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Blah blah blah, more dogma. Think you can explain things in terms you don't have to be one of your "liberated souls" to understand?
What I can glean from what you've written so far is that to understand your dogma's superiority, we have to first unconditionally accept your dogma. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Religious groups like the Hare Krishnas can deny Evolution all they want to. While they deny Evolution, they continue to demonstrate Evolutionary traits, just like everybody else.
Like Rteacher demonstrating the tribal instinct: wherever the pack goes, he goes. Wherever the pack goes, he proudly announces that his pack is so brave and noble.
Like Rteacher following the pack leader: Prabhupada said it and that proves it.
Like Rteacher dehumanizing the enemy so that it could be attacked more easily: we are all atheists, we are all materialists, and we are all meat-eaters, so there is no point in seeing us as individuals.
If Rteacher wants us to believe that the Hare Krishnas have any advantage over all the other relgious groups, he will have to demonstrate that its members don't behave the same as the Mormons, the Moonies, the John Birch Society, Amway distributors, Montessori teachers, or fans at a football game. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
God in the form of time controls everything... |
God in the form of the following says, 'you ain't got dick!' |
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curiousaboutkorea
Joined: 21 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ED209, not to be patronizing, but you have the best avatar ever... |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I second the nomination.
At one time, I was swallowing the theist palaver hook, line, and sinker.
I tried to start a newsletter which compiled the latest prayer requests.
When each issue came out, all the other subscribers would pray over those prayer requests.
I found plenty of people to submit prayer requests--mostly for themselves, but very few people to subscribe.
If God really did honor requests, that newsletter would have prospered. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| curiousaboutkorea wrote: |
| ED209, not to be patronizing, but you have the best avatar ever... |
Not sure who made it. Hopefully they'll stick on the side of a London bus. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure about evolution myself. Something is missing and it seems very egotistical. |
Because it's either God's plan or Man's plan. Either you humble yourself under the wisdom of God and believe in His plan for salvation or you say God's an idiot and I hate His wisdom and His plan.
Thank God too, because just imagine being in Heaven with a bunch of people who believe they got their with their own wisdom. I don't know about you, but I couldn't handle the patting on their own backs and boasting that would go on. Imagine if the delusional Richard Dawkins made it to Heaven and was able to boast about His own intelligence for eternity? What a hell that would be. Hmmmm....maybe that is what hell will be like? People boasting of their own wisdom.
haha. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| Either you humble yourself under the wisdom of God and believe in His plan for salvation or you say God's an idiot and I hate His wisdom and His plan. |
I don't recall ever doing either.
Who made that rule?
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I don't know about you, but I couldn't handle the patting on their own backs and boasting that would go on. Imagine if the delusional Richard Dawkins made it to Heaven and was able to boast about His own intelligence for eternity? What a hell that would be. Hmmmm....maybe that is what hell will be like? People boasting of their own wisdom.
haha. |
Who are Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, blushing violets?
For that matter, who are you, a blushing violet? |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
maybe that is what hell will be like? People boasting of their own wisdom.
haha. |
No, that's Dave's. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: |
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what I really want to know is...
you atheist! do you ever look in the mirror or look at the world and ask yourself!! WHAT THE FUKC???
how is this possible??? seriously!!! from a puddle of water and gas in the atmosphere, bacteria in a puddle of water, from a creature out of the sea, to land, to a monkey, to me!! WOW! here I am!!
all this from nothing..!! ! perfect random chance!
plllleeeaaassseeeeee.....
seriously do you guys buy that?? |
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