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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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Bottom Line:
Japan got smashed in WWII and Korean jumped in and seized Dokdo. It doesn't really matter who owned it beforehand, because Korea owns it now. They took it - just like almost every other country in the world was taken by someone or another at some time.
Japan lost it, which they deserved, and Dokdo is now Korean. Those Japanese who care about the issue have some nerve asking for it back. |
Exactly. Oh well at least it provides us some amusement as the pro-japanese people in this board engage in their little fantasies of Japan taking it back one day.
On the other hand guess everybody's got to have their dream. |
Your dream is to be appreciated by Koreans for your impassioned (albeit ludicrous) defense of them on this ESL board. Dream on... Koreans in general will never like or accept you. That's why it's just embarrassing the way you carry on. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| samd wrote: |
Bottom Line:
Japan got smashed in WWII and Korean jumped in and seized Dokdo. It doesn't really matter who owned it beforehand, because Korea owns it now. They took it - just like almost every other country in the world was taken by someone or another at some time.
Japan lost it, which they deserved, and Dokdo is now Korean. Those Japanese who care about the issue have some nerve asking for it back. |
Exactly. Oh well at least it provides us some amusement as the pro-japanese people in this board engage in their little fantasies of Japan taking it back one day.
On the other hand guess everybody's got to have their dream. |
Your dream is to be appreciated by Koreans for your impassioned (albeit ludicrous) defense of them on this ESL board. Dream on... Koreans in general will never like or accept you. That's why it's just embarrassing the way you carry on. |
Sorry, but that's not accurate. But that remark does provide a fascinating insight into your psyche. Could it be that you want to be appreciated by Japanese for your defense of them on this board? If I were you, I'd cool it with the projection issues... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| samd wrote: |
Bottom Line:
Japan got smashed in WWII and Korean jumped in and seized Dokdo. It doesn't really matter who owned it beforehand, because Korea owns it now. They took it - just like almost every other country in the world was taken by someone or another at some time.
Japan lost it, which they deserved, and Dokdo is now Korean. Those Japanese who care about the issue have some nerve asking for it back. |
If nothing else Japan will just take them back by force in due time, there's nothing Korea, or the pitiful pro-Korean whiners on here like you can do about it. Japan is simply a better, more powerful and more important country, period. It is Korea that's had a lot of nerve overstepping their boundaries all this time, the notion that they'd be able to get away with it is laughable. And besides, he who laughs last...  |
And the epic fantasy begins again... |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, but that's not accurate. But that remark does provide a fascinating insight into your psyche. Could it be that you want to be appreciated by Japanese for your defense of them on this board? If I were you, I'd cool it with the projection issues... |
UrMy, I can assure you that you are totally wrong on visitorq with your amateur psychoanalysis. I know and he knows that we would never be truly accepted into Japanese society no matter how much we sucked up or played the role of the Japanophile. (Which neither himself nor I am)
You however think that you can suck up to South Koreans and be accepted by them. Maybe if you tell enough South Korean women you love Dokdo and that it is an integral part of South Korea, they'll take pity on you and you'll get a freebie or a Dunking Donuts T-shirt.
Unfortunately, not having Han or Minjok or whatever racist terms that Koreans dream up excludes you unfortunately. All it makes you is the "Useful idiot".
Congratulations, you have found your calling in life. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
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| Sorry, but that's not accurate. But that remark does provide a fascinating insight into your psyche. Could it be that you want to be appreciated by Japanese for your defense of them on this board? If I were you, I'd cool it with the projection issues... |
UrMy, I can assure you that you are totally wrong on visitorq with your amateur psychoanalysis. I know and he knows that we would never be truly accepted into Japanese society no matter how much we sucked up or played the role of the Japanophile. (Which neither himself nor I am)
You however think that you can suck up to South Koreans and be accepted by them. Maybe if you tell enough South Korean women you love Dokdo and that it is an integral part of South Korea, they'll take pity on you and you'll get a freebie or a Dunking Donuts T-shirt.
Unfortunately, not having Han or Minjok or whatever racist terms that Koreans dream up excludes you unfortunately. All it makes you is the "Useful idiot".
Congratulations, you have found your calling in life. |
And your "amateur psychoanalysis" is dead wrong. I have no wish to be accepted by South Koreans nor to be accepted into their society. In fact the sole discussions I have on it are on these boards.
I however enjoy the insights provided into yours and q's mentality as it is obvious you can't think of any other reasons to defend a society unless it is to be accepted by them. Don't give up though. Maybe one day you can get honourary Japanese citizenship. Plus it provides the rest of us with a laugh...albeit at your expense. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Guri Guy wrote: |
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| Sorry, but that's not accurate. But that remark does provide a fascinating insight into your psyche. Could it be that you want to be appreciated by Japanese for your defense of them on this board? If I were you, I'd cool it with the projection issues... |
UrMy, I can assure you that you are totally wrong on visitorq with your amateur psychoanalysis. I know and he knows that we would never be truly accepted into Japanese society no matter how much we sucked up or played the role of the Japanophile. (Which neither himself nor I am)
You however think that you can suck up to South Koreans and be accepted by them. Maybe if you tell enough South Korean women you love Dokdo and that it is an integral part of South Korea, they'll take pity on you and you'll get a freebie or a Dunking Donuts T-shirt.
Unfortunately, not having Han or Minjok or whatever racist terms that Koreans dream up excludes you unfortunately. All it makes you is the "Useful idiot".
Congratulations, you have found your calling in life. |
And your "amateur psychoanalysis" is dead wrong. I have no wish to be accepted by South Koreans nor to be accepted into their society. In fact the sole discussions I have on it are on these boards. |
Haha, who are you kidding?? Look at your "location" for christsake. Your coming off in earnest might actually be admirable if it weren't so pretentious: it all boils down to 'what do you represent?' - you think you represent Korea on here, but actually you don't. You're not even a Korean reject, you're simply "not Korean", you have no stake in Korea whatsoever, so pretending to speak for them is about as pathetic as it gets really.
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| I however enjoy the insights provided into yours and q's mentality as it is obvious you can't think of any other reasons to defend a society unless it is to be accepted by them. Don't give up though. Maybe one day you can get honourary Japanese citizenship. Plus it provides the rest of us with a laugh...albeit at your expense. |
I'm American and that's all I'll ever be or want to be. I think Japan is a kickass country though, and giving it due props is not at all the same as kissing its ass like you do to Korea. Korea is not on Japan's level anyway. Basically, being a so-called "Japanophile" is infinitely more admirable than whatever the hell it is you are. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Guri Guy wrote: |
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| Sorry, but that's not accurate. But that remark does provide a fascinating insight into your psyche. Could it be that you want to be appreciated by Japanese for your defense of them on this board? If I were you, I'd cool it with the projection issues... |
UrMy, I can assure you that you are totally wrong on visitorq with your amateur psychoanalysis. I know and he knows that we would never be truly accepted into Japanese society no matter how much we sucked up or played the role of the Japanophile. (Which neither himself nor I am)
You however think that you can suck up to South Koreans and be accepted by them. Maybe if you tell enough South Korean women you love Dokdo and that it is an integral part of South Korea, they'll take pity on you and you'll get a freebie or a Dunking Donuts T-shirt.
Unfortunately, not having Han or Minjok or whatever racist terms that Koreans dream up excludes you unfortunately. All it makes you is the "Useful idiot".
Congratulations, you have found your calling in life. |
And your "amateur psychoanalysis" is dead wrong. I have no wish to be accepted by South Koreans nor to be accepted into their society. In fact the sole discussions I have on it are on these boards. |
Haha, who are you kidding?? Look at your "location" for christsake. Your coming off in earnest might actually be admirable if it weren't so pretentious: it all boils down to 'what do you represent?' - you think you represent Korea on here, but actually you don't. You're not even a Korean reject, you're simply "not Korean", you have no stake in Korea whatsoever, so pretending to speak for them is about as pathetic as it gets really.
What does my "location" have to do with this? And as for what I represent? I represent myself. I have never claimed nor do I claim to speak for Korea on this or any other issue. It's called having a debate. But look at yourself. You are claiming to speak for Japan on this issue, even though you are not Japanese, not even a Japanese reject. That's rather hypocritical. Given your behaviour in this thread do you not realize that any charge you level against me can be applied to you by simply switching the word "Korea" for "Japan"?
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| I however enjoy the insights provided into yours and q's mentality as it is obvious you can't think of any other reasons to defend a society unless it is to be accepted by them. Don't give up though. Maybe one day you can get honourary Japanese citizenship. Plus it provides the rest of us with a laugh...albeit at your expense. |
I'm American and that's all I'll ever be or want to be. I think Japan is a kickass country though, and giving it due props is not at all the same as kissing its ass like you do to Korea. Korea is not on Japan's level anyway. Basically, being a so-called "Japanophile" is infinitely more admirable than whatever the hell it is you are. |
Correct. Korea is not on Japan's level. IMO it surpassed it long ago.
And you are taking this far too seriously. Chill out dude, this is an Internet debate with someone you've never met. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Surpassed Japan? Please elaborate.
Also, I am still waiting for that Dokdo proof.
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Guri Guy wrote: |
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| Sorry, but that's not accurate. But that remark does provide a fascinating insight into your psyche. Could it be that you want to be appreciated by Japanese for your defense of them on this board? If I were you, I'd cool it with the projection issues... |
UrMy, I can assure you that you are totally wrong on visitorq with your amateur psychoanalysis. I know and he knows that we would never be truly accepted into Japanese society no matter how much we sucked up or played the role of the Japanophile. (Which neither himself nor I am)
You however think that you can suck up to South Koreans and be accepted by them. Maybe if you tell enough South Korean women you love Dokdo and that it is an integral part of South Korea, they'll take pity on you and you'll get a freebie or a Dunking Donuts T-shirt.
Unfortunately, not having Han or Minjok or whatever racist terms that Koreans dream up excludes you unfortunately. All it makes you is the "Useful idiot".
Congratulations, you have found your calling in life. |
And your "amateur psychoanalysis" is dead wrong. I have no wish to be accepted by South Koreans nor to be accepted into their society. In fact the sole discussions I have on it are on these boards. |
Haha, who are you kidding?? Look at your "location" for christsake. Your coming off in earnest might actually be admirable if it weren't so pretentious: it all boils down to 'what do you represent?' - you think you represent Korea on here, but actually you don't. You're not even a Korean reject, you're simply "not Korean", you have no stake in Korea whatsoever, so pretending to speak for them is about as pathetic as it gets really.
What does my "location" have to do with this? And as for what I represent? I represent myself. I have never claimed nor do I claim to speak for Korea on this or any other issue. It's called having a debate. But look at yourself. You are claiming to speak for Japan on this issue, even though you are not Japanese, not even a Japanese reject. That's rather hypocritical. Given your behaviour in this thread do you not realize that any charge you level against me can be applied to you by simply switching the word "Korea" for "Japan"?
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| I however enjoy the insights provided into yours and q's mentality as it is obvious you can't think of any other reasons to defend a society unless it is to be accepted by them. Don't give up though. Maybe one day you can get honourary Japanese citizenship. Plus it provides the rest of us with a laugh...albeit at your expense. |
I'm American and that's all I'll ever be or want to be. I think Japan is a kickass country though, and giving it due props is not at all the same as kissing its ass like you do to Korea. Korea is not on Japan's level anyway. Basically, being a so-called "Japanophile" is infinitely more admirable than whatever the hell it is you are. |
Correct. Korea is not on Japan's level. IMO it surpassed it long ago.
And you are taking this far too seriously. Chill out dude, this is an Internet debate with someone you've never met. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Surpassed Japan? Please elaborate.
Also, I am still waiting for that Dokdo proof.
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I said IMO. I am entitled to have an opinon, no? Even if you believe it to be totally wrong?
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Anyone who does any through historical search would favour Japan. They have a much stronger case |
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Japan's case
1. They occupied it first.
2. Korea took it by force.
3. Korean can not even prove they knew about it before Japan took it.
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Looks like you've made up your mind already. 
And like I said, been there, done that. We would only go on another 4-5 pages arguing "yes it is." "No it isn't" as happened in the last thread. |
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Guri Guy
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Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Ah....I understand now.
You aren't on here to intelligently debate the issue are you UrMy?
You are just on here to call people names, belittle them and give your so
called "opinion". (Which you refuse to back up with any evidence)
BTW, saying that South Korea surpassed Japan a long time ago is laughable.
That may score you brownie points in the Noraebang but you it's not that
way in the real world.
Unless you are talking about prostitution, environmental damage and ill
manners while traveling abroad. Then yes, South Korea has surpassed
Japan. Congrats... |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Ah....I understand now.
You aren't on here to intelligently debate the issue are you UrMy?
You are just on here to call people names, belittle them and give your so
called "opinion". (Which you refuse to back up with any evidence)
I haven't seen you supply any real evidence either. Anyway it's all in the other thread which we had on this. And exactly who have I called a name? Find where I called YOU or Mr Q a name in this thread.
In fact if we look at this thread we can see it is YOUR side that is doing the name calling. "Useful Idiot" wasn't it?
BTW, saying that South Korea surpassed Japan a long time ago is laughable.
That may score you brownie points in the Noraebang but you it's not that way in the real world.
Do they speak real English in your real world? Not quite sure what you are on about here...
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Captain Corea
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| You're not even a Korean reject, you're simply "not Korean", you have no stake in Korea whatsoever, so pretending to speak for them is about as pathetic as it gets really. |
Actually, your presumption about his stake in Korea is the pathetic part of your post.
How do you know what his stake is? |
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Guri Guy
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Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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I provided a link to a wealth of information on the Dokdo/Takeshima issue.
You naturally refused to look at it.
http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/
I have asked you before to supply a pre-1905 Korean map accurately depicting Dokdo. You have not done so.
Why don't you look at this:
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Saturday, April 05, 2008
Korean Eastern limits described in various books exclude Takeshima/Dokdo from Korean Territory
Below is a list of old Japanese, British and Korean books and documents that clearly excluded Takeshima/Dokdo (131� 52'E longitude) from Korean territory. There is no single, concrete document or map, whatsoever, that shows Korea had ever recognized the disputed island to be within their territory before Japan officially incorporated it into Shimane Prefecture in 1905.
Especially interesting among the books in the list is Choi Nam-seon's (崔南善) 1948 book, "Common Knowledge of Joseon" (朝鮮常識), which specifically says that Korea's easternmost island was Ulleungdo's "Jukdo" in North Gyeongsan Province (慶尚北道鬱陵島竹島). Jukdo is a small island located about two kilometers off Ulleungdo's eastern shore, which matches up with old Korean maps and documents that showed Usando (于山島) to be Korea's eastern most island. Though Koreans claim Usando was Korea's old name for "Dokdo," Korea's old maps and documents show that Usando was actually Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo, which is at an east longitude of approximately 130� 56' 23." Again, that longitude essentially matches up with longitudes mentioned in the documents below. |
http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/04/korean-eastern-limits-described-in.html
Can you explain why Korean geographers continually excluded Dokdo from their territory? So did British geographers. Why is that?
According to the 1948 book by Choi Nam-seon, it was common knowledge that Dokdo was outside of Korean territorial limits.
Awaiting your reply UrMy... |
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, your presumption about his stake in Korea is the pathetic part of your post.
How do you know what his stake is? |
Of course UrMy can make as many assumptions as he wants about other people and that's fine. Right Captain Korea?
He can call us Korean haters or Japanese lovers and that's kosher is it?
Feel free to show us a pre-1905 Korean map accurately depicting Dokdo, Captain. You could be a hero on par with Lee Soon Shin or King Sejong if you can conjure one up. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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I provided a link to a wealth of information on the Dokdo/Takeshima issue.
You naturally refused to look at it.
http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/
Pro-Japanese biased sources. Give me a break. This is not a objective link.[ And really...a blog? Anyone can write anything on a blog. When you have some scholarly articles let me know.
I have asked you before to supply a pre-1905 Korean map accurately depicting Dokdo. You have not done so.
I gave you a JAPANESE map that said Dokdo was Korea's. You called it propaganda
Why don't you look at this:
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Saturday, April 05, 2008
Korean Eastern limits described in various books exclude Takeshima/Dokdo from Korean Territory
Below is a list of old Japanese, British and Korean books and documents that clearly excluded Takeshima/Dokdo (131� 52'E longitude) from Korean territory. There is no single, concrete document or map, whatsoever, that shows Korea had ever recognized the disputed island to be within their territory before Japan officially incorporated it into Shimane Prefecture in 1905.
Especially interesting among the books in the list is Choi Nam-seon's (崔南善) 1948 book, "Common Knowledge of Joseon" (朝鮮常識), which specifically says that Korea's easternmost island was Ulleungdo's "Jukdo" in North Gyeongsan Province (慶尚北道鬱陵島竹島). Jukdo is a small island located about two kilometers off Ulleungdo's eastern shore, which matches up with old Korean maps and documents that showed Usando (于山島) to be Korea's eastern most island. Though Koreans claim Usando was Korea's old name for "Dokdo," Korea's old maps and documents show that Usando was actually Ulleungdo's neighboring island of Jukdo, which is at an east longitude of approximately 130� 56' 23." Again, that longitude essentially matches up with longitudes mentioned in the documents below. |
http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/04/korean-eastern-limits-described-in.html
Can you explain why Korean geographers continually excluded Dokdo from their territory? So did British geographers. Why is that?
According to the 1948 book by Choi Nam-seon, it was common knowledge that Dokdo was outside of Korean territorial limits.
Awaiting your reply UrMy... |
I'll give you a reply just as soon as you get back to me with your proof that I specifically called you or Mr. Q names in this thread as you have claimed. |
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