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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| IChild support should have some sort of limitation to discourage those with no intention of working to keep breeding children they can't afford the upkeep of. |
I disagree. Most single mothers don't start out as single mothers. For one thing, this kind of thinking punishes innocent women fleeing abusive husbands. It also punishes kids who had no say in what circumstances they find themselves. |
I know there are many genuine cases. My sister was a single mother because her boyfriend failed to support her. The problem is though there are some people who try to milk the system by continually having children in order to get more child support money. I think maybe it should be capped at three children. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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All over the spectrum; depends on the issue.
And, I'm willing to change my stance at almost any time depending on the evidence and information at hand. The only reason I'm able to say this is because I've watched my positions change over time.
I've got a lot to learn and I know it.
Still, I'd love to see the Left and the Right come together on some issues where they share common interests.
For example:
Religion: Stop treating religion as though it deserves respect. People may deserve respect but silly ideas do not. Religion is about feel-good fairy tales mixed with threats of punishment in an imaginary afterlife. But ironically, its leaders seek power and influence in the here and now. Political leaders then feel the need to coddle up to these religious lunatics, causing damage for everyone all the way down the ladder. Religion is babyish bullshit that we all need to get over as soon as possible. Deep down we all know this intuitively, but many are scared to admit it. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| The poll results do suggest a small rightish majority on this forum....nothing wrong with that of course, but maybe something to think about for a certain number of persecution complex posters here (you know who I mean) who whine about this forum being dominated by Che shirted folks who dream of a world run by stars and stripe burning suicide bombers. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Religion: Stop treating religion as though it deserves respect. People may deserve respect but silly ideas do not. Religion is about feel-good fairy tales mixed with threats of punishment in an imaginary afterlife. But ironically, its leaders seek power and influence in the here and now. Political leaders then feel the need to coddle up to these religious lunatics, causing damage for everyone all the way down the ladder. Religion is babyish bullshit that we all need to get over as soon as possible. Deep down we all know this intuitively, but many are scared to admit it. |
Rock on! Visit Saudi Arabia and tell them this!
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I disagree. Most single mothers don't start out as single mothers. For one thing, this kind of thinking punishes innocent women fleeing abusive husbands. It also punishes kids who had no say in what circumstances they find themselves. |
Women should be more careful of who they choose to be their babies' daddies! Your way of thinking strips these people of their personal responsibility and encourages abusive relationships and unemployment since these people DON'T have to worry about financial aspects! What is the fastest growing population in New Zealand, Canada, Aus, Scandinavia? Welfare recipients! I'm with asylum on this one.
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Social welfare: healthcare should be free and universal. It's not perfect but it works well enough and it's better than health insurance companies fleecing everybody.
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But I'm NOT with him on this one. Universal free healthcare is an unsustainable ponzi scheme and is FAR from perfect. I love having the option to pay for the doctor of my choosing. I welcome a doctor's 'fleecing' rather than have my own gov't fleece me. In about 20 years, most western countries will have to make some difficult decisions regarding the future of their gluttonous welfare states.
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Western Civilization - clearly superior and to be defended. Cultural relativism is a cancer.
Multiculturalism - absolute garbage
Immigration - Absolutely 100% against all muslim immigration..even refugees. Citizenship granted after a decade of crime free, productive living. No dual citizenship. Shit or get off the pot. |
Please tell me you are joking |
I'm with Mises 100%. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Religion: Stop treating religion as though it deserves respect. People may deserve respect but silly ideas do not. Religion is about feel-good fairy tales mixed with threats of punishment in an imaginary afterlife. But ironically, its leaders seek power and influence in the here and now. Political leaders then feel the need to coddle up to these religious lunatics, causing damage for everyone all the way down the ladder. Religion is babyish bullshit that we all need to get over as soon as possible. Deep down we all know this intuitively, but many are scared to admit it. |
Rock on! Visit Saudi Arabia and tell them this!
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Ha ha. Yeah right. In Saudi Arabia I probably couldn't even draw a cartoon of my choosing without getting my head lopped off.
Just another reason I agree with Mises when he says ...
"Western Civilization: clearly superior and to be defended."
Why is it superior? Because of our values and the freedoms we take for granted, in this case freedom of speech. And we don't have to be ashamed to say we think these values are generally superior to oh, say...religious tyranny, fascism, etc.
This is precisely where the Left and Right should be united, and it starts with presenting a united front for our common western values, and NOT conceding to religious nutjobs of any kind. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
Western Civilization - clearly superior and to be defended. Cultural relativism is a cancer.
Multiculturalism - absolute garbage
Immigration - Absolutely 100% against all muslim immigration..even refugees. Citizenship granted after a decade of crime free, productive living. No dual citizenship. Shit or get off the pot. |
Please tell me you are joking |
You must be the one joking. Let's break it down.
Western Civilization: We're superior. How can anyone take Eastern Civilization seriously when you can't buy meth, a gun, or a triple cheeseburger in most towns in the East? And they wear their pants like old people instead of their pants falling down with most of their underwear showing. I've seen one or two fat bottom Asian chicks eating at McDonald's, so there's a glimmer of hope for them.
Multiculturalism: Why do we need Latin music or R&B when we have Garth Brooks? I have to admit that I'm slipping a little in my old age. There's Korean art on my bedroom wall instead of the Penthouse porn posters that were up when I was in college. Yet, some people are even worse than I am. I know of one guy who married a Korean woman when he was teaching there, and I bet she ends up sharing some of her own culture with their children instead of taking them to McDonald's playland.
Immigration: You obviously haven't heard about the Muslims, their crimes, and their effects on America's productivity. Look at how many of them we're having to bail out on Wall Street. Despite being around 2% of the American population, Muslims are heavily represented on the boards of the banks we're bailing out in addition to insurance companies. The Fed has a lot of Muslims. And it seems like just about all of these hedge funds that are exposed as Ponzi schemes are managed by Muslims. These Muslim crooks destroyed the lifetime fortunes of many investors and even wiped out some charities. The SEC and other governmental agencies have a ton of Muslims on their staff and they just look the other way when their Muslim buddies commit fraud. Dual citizenship has also been a problem. Many of the people in the Bush Administration who were influential in trumping up bullshit so we would invade Iraq hold dual American-Saudi citizenship. The criminals in this paragraph have been Sunni Muslims.
Shiite Muslims are always blowing shit up. The building in Oklahoma City in 1995 and the crowded Olympic Park at the 1996 games in Atlanta are two such examples. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Western Civilization: We're superior. How can anyone take Eastern Civilization seriously when you can't buy meth, a gun, or a triple cheeseburger in most towns in the East? And they wear their pants like old people instead of their pants falling down with most of their underwear showing. I've seen one or two fat bottom Asian chicks eating at McDonald's, so there's a glimmer of hope for them. |
You have a real hangup with meth.
Western Civilization is more than the things in America you dislike.
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| Multiculturalism: Why do we need Latin music or R&B when we have Garth Brooks? I have to admit that I'm slipping a little in my old age. There's Korean art on my bedroom wall instead of the Penthouse porn posters that were up when I was in college. Yet, some people are even worse than I am. I know of one guy who married a Korean woman when he was teaching there, and I bet she ends up sharing some of her own culture with their children instead of taking them to McDonald's playland. |
Here, your ignorance holds you back.
Culture - a shared perspective.
Cultural artifact - a single product of a culture.
You referenced latin music, R&B, Korean art, porn and McDonalds. All of which are cultural artifacts.
So, I'm all for multi-cultural-artifact-ism.
Jail for insulting the koran, not so much. That is against my culture.
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Immigration: You obviously haven't heard about the Muslims, their crimes, and their effects on America's productivity. Look at how many of them we're having to bail out on Wall Street. Despite being around 2% of the American population, Muslims are heavily represented on the boards of the banks we're bailing out in addition to insurance companies. The Fed has a lot of Muslims. And it seems like just about all of these hedge funds that are exposed as Ponzi schemes are managed by Muslims. These Muslim crooks destroyed the lifetime fortunes of many investors and even wiped out some charities. The SEC and other governmental agencies have a ton of Muslims on their staff and they just look the other way when their Muslim buddies commit fraud. Dual citizenship has also been a problem. Many of the people in the Bush Administration who were influential in trumping up bullshit so we would invade Iraq hold dual American-Saudi citizenship. The criminals in this paragraph have been Sunni Muslims.
Shiite Muslims are always blowing shit up. The building in Oklahoma City in 1995 and the crowded Olympic Park at the 1996 games in Atlanta are two such examples. |
I see you haven't been following the European experience with muslim immigration. Anyways, I'm Canadian. I won't tell America what to do with her immigration system (though it looks like some muslims are less than adapted:
http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/somali-man-thought-to-be-involved-with-inauguration-threat-arrested/
Feel free to go to news.google.com and see what communities are up to.
For example:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS271US271&ei=tLmMSZWMJNCCtwf_1uWUCw&resnum=1&q=%22somali%20community%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn
Just apple-pie eating Americans.. Less the meth, of course. Somali dudes are typically khat junkies. Well, in the UK 33% are.
http://www.researchasylum.org.uk/?lid=1765
But, meth. I know, I know.
Anyways, I'm from Canada. Where the diversity has stolen my civil liberties. More specifically, Canadian leftists who are emotionally unable to allow muslim to be treated as emotionally able have stolen my civil liberties. Sure, I can say "Jesus Sucks" though.
http://ezralevant.com/2009/02/brave-atheists-tackle-the-peri.html
So, I do not think that Canada (like the UK, which is a total lost cause) is able to handle muslim immigration without completely rearranging the structure of the society. So, I oppose it. Nothing to do with terrorism. A solid chunk of muslims refuse to adapt and leftists won't let them anyways.
And we have no means with which to separate the obedients from the cultural muslims. So we have to discriminate. Maybe you're behind the curve now, but when a western city gets flattened with a suitcase nuke, you'll be on team no muslim immigration too. But by that time, the biggest victims of muslim immigration to the West will be the muslim immigrants. Can't fight history. |
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Insidejohnmalkovich
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Location: Pusan
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I'll copy Justin Hale's format as well:
Abortion - against
Gay rights - against
Climate change - It is definitely happening, but I come from the same perspective as Tolkien and Lewis, desiring a green and pleasant land.
Religion - Let every man find his salvation where it truly is. We shall know for sure in the end. But let every nation subscribe to the religious values of its forebearers.
War on drugs - stamp out subversion and counter culture
Children's rights - Parents and adults should have final authority. If they abuse that authority, authority should be given to another relative.
Corporal punishment - Spare the rod and spoil the child.
Israel - Give it a free hand.
Iraq war - Divide the country and rule it as a protectorate.
Afghanistan war - Divide the country and rule it as a protectorate.
Nationalism - There are much higher values necessary for civilization. But God save the Queen of Canada!
Welfare state - Do away with almost all of it.
Terrorism - a police/criminal issue
Capital punishment - For murder and other heinous crimes
Economics - Not sure about this: I would wish for an idyllic agrarian utopia where every man works for his bread and every landless man receives his needs from his master: but I cannot imagine how to acheive that. Until then, let us have freedom with the occasional arbitrary government intervention to right injustices like massive pollution or sex slavery. I distrust capitalism completely, but I notice that economic socialism is usually accompanied by political correctness.
Trade - Free trade with national standards of safety.
War - only in clear self defense, and then go hard or go home.
Western Civilization - Traditional Western culture must be fought for, but much of its recent developments are to be abhorred.
Multiculturalism - An appreciation of cultures is good. God knows most foreigners in Korea ought to open their minds. But children of native born citizens should not be educated to neglect and forget their culture by the state.
Immigration - Melting Pot assimilation
Civil liberties - Civic authority should be exercised by men of substance. Justice must be done to all who are ruled.
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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If we're superior, why are things like violent crime, drug abuse, and obesity so high in the USA and Canada compared to places like Japan? Those are parts of our culture whether or not you want to admit it.
Islam sucks, but our problems go far beyond religious kooks. Look at how the incompetent people in our superior Western Culture financial industry have unleashed the equivalent of a suitcase nuke on our local economies with repercussions for the entire global economy. For all of Islam's faults, even they don't do some of the crazy things our financial geniuses have done. How much of the hedge funds, short selling, speculation, predatory lending, outstanding debt, and "derivatives time bomb" are related to Islamic banking?
Maybe Muslims do as Christians in the Religious Right and try to impose their degenerate religions on us via law, but I don't see where you're coming from saying they're more criminal and less productive. I couldn't come up with data on Muslims, but the following is how Arabs are doing in America.
http://www.michigandaily.com/content/arab-americans-better-educated-most-us |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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I am not comfortable comparing crime in hyper-diverse America with near homogeneous Japan. Regarding crime:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-01-29-ms13_N.htm
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| Criminal gangs in the USA have swelled to an estimated 1 million members responsible for up to 80% of crimes in communities across the nation, according to a gang threat assessment compiled by federal officials. |
Now, the primary cause of this gang related violent crime is the war on drugs. Add to this the legacy of slavery, mass immigration from dysfunctional Central America and parts of Asia.
Anyways, I do not believe that the Occident is perfect, but that the values which can broadly be described as "western" are superior to others. I share your disgust at the greed and corruption of recent. There are going to be some places where we can learn from others, of course. But the bottom line is this: being culturally superior to other large cultures on our earth, today, is like being valedictorian of special-ed. It just isn't that hard.
Anyways, I really don't want to argue about it. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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Western Civilization - clearly superior and to be defended. Cultural relativism is a cancer.
Multiculturalism - absolute garbage
Immigration - Absolutely 100% against all muslim immigration..even refugees. Citizenship granted after a decade of crime free, productive living. No dual citizenship. Shit or get off the pot. |
Using the words 'superior' or 'inferior' to define any existing culture is backwards, shortsighted, and just flat-out wrong. Adding the word 'clearly' just makes you an ass.
I could understand if you were stating that you subjectively, personally favor western culture, but actually believing it to be objectively superior is just unbelievable. This is like something that only the most ignorant Koreans in Korea would tell the Filipino they just kidnapped.
'To be defended'??? WTF?? Is Western culture under attack? So basically you think the world should be broken up into isolated little pockets living with the fear of being assimilated by some aggressive 'inferior' culture?
I have to wonder why someone like you would decide to travel when you apparently have absolutely nothing to learn from anyone else and are already completely attuned to the complexities of every other laughable culture on the planet.
And it's actually even more amazing that you can go on to dismiss all culture as still not so great... you must contain an amazing set of ideas within that brain of yours, in order to think that the hundreds (thousands) of years of traditions/ideas/thinking patterns that have developed in all the corners of our world are just a great big pile of steaming BS.
Thousands of years of civilization all over the world have absolutely nothing on your current thoughts... wow. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
Western Civilization - clearly superior and to be defended. Cultural relativism is a cancer.
Multiculturalism - absolute garbage
Immigration - Absolutely 100% against all muslim immigration..even refugees. Citizenship granted after a decade of crime free, productive living. No dual citizenship. Shit or get off the pot. |
Using the words 'superior' or 'inferior' to define any existing culture is backwards, shortsighted, and just flat-out wrong. Adding the word 'clearly' just makes you an ass.
I could understand if you were stating that you subjectively, personally favor western culture, but actually believing it to be objectively superior is just unbelievable. This is like something that only the most ignorant Koreans in Korea would tell the Filipino they just kidnapped.
'To be defended'??? WTF?? Is Western culture under attack? So basically you think the world should be broken up into isolated little pockets living with the fear of being assimilated by some aggressive 'inferior' culture?
I have to wonder why someone like you would decide to travel when you apparently have absolutely nothing to learn from anyone else and are already completely attuned to the complexities of every other laughable culture on the planet.
And it's actually even more amazing that you can go on to dismiss all culture as still not so great... you must contain an amazing set of ideas within that brain of yours, in order to think that the hundreds (thousands) of years of traditions/ideas/thinking patterns that have developed in all the corners of our world are just a great big pile of steaming BS.
Thousands of years of civilization all over the world have absolutely nothing on your current thoughts... wow. |
Ask yourself this, hippie: after the evolution of "Thousands of years of civilization all over the world", which civilization leads humanity? Which civilization do outsiders in the 2nd and 3rd world dream of being a part of? Here's a hint: the west!!!
DOn't believe me? Ask a Korean, Kenyan, Moroccan, Ukrainian, INdian, Chinaman, Philippino, Indonesian, Brazilian, (etc) if they would like to immigrate to the western world. Chances are they will say yes.
Then tell any of the above that you would like to live in their country forever. They'll look at you in total shock: "WHY????" they will ask. "Nobody wants to move here!" I'm sure we've all heard this from Koreans.
The apex of human achievement, the West, is under attack in the sense that we are not reproducing. We have too many lazy, socialist, babyless hippies like yourself and Helen Clarke who would sacrifice their own culture and the achievemtns of their forefathers, and for what? To pay respect to INFERIOR habitants of the third world who, despite their numbers, contribute only a fraction to humanity that we do? This and a comfy social safety net.
General Napier is a hero:
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
Eslmilk: you are full of it. Nomatter which 3rd world country you happen to be traveling in; if you get sick, get in trouble, end up broke, lose a limb, get scared, etc., you WILL return to your comfy 1st world and reap the benefits that our forefathers strived for: you'll use OUR computers, OUR hospitals and technology, OUR welfare checks, OUR airplanes, OUR potable tap water, OUR public housing, and OUR walmarts. If you say that you do not appreciate these things, then you're not being truthful. The west has achieved more than any other civilization in history, so knock it off. |
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Koveras
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Ask yourself this, hippie: after the evolution of "Thousands of years of civilization all over the world", which civilization leads humanity? Which civilization do outsiders in the 2nd and 3rd world dream of being a part of? Here's a hint: the west!!! |
And it's definitely the culture. Not the money or the military.
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DOn't believe me? Ask a Korean, Kenyan, Moroccan, Ukrainian, INdian, Chinaman, Philippino, Indonesian, Brazilian, (etc) if they would like to immigrate to the western world. Chances are they will say yes.
Then tell any of the above that you would like to live in their country forever. They'll look at you in total shock: "WHY????" they will ask. "Nobody wants to move here!" I'm sure we've all heard this from Koreans. |
I don't believe you're capable of knowing what anyone else thinks, if only because you're too busy telling them.
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| The apex of human achievement, the West, is under attack in the sense that we are not reproducing. We have too many lazy, socialist, babyless hippies like yourself and Helen Clarke who would sacrifice their own culture and the achievemtns of their forefathers, and for what? To pay respect to INFERIOR habitants of the third world who, despite their numbers, contribute only a fraction to humanity that we do? This and a comfy social safety net. |
Didn't you say that everyone wants to immigrate to the West? If everyone wants to be part of our amazing culture, then wouldn't it follow that we'll always have people to carry on its traditions??
Or maybe you're talking about preserving the master race.
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| Eslmilk: you are full of it. Nomatter which 3rd world country you happen to be traveling in; if you get sick, get in trouble, end up broke, lose a limb, get scared, etc., you WILL return to your comfy 1st world and reap the benefits that our forefathers strived for: you'll use OUR computers, OUR hospitals and technology, OUR welfare checks, OUR airplanes, OUR potable tap water, OUR public housing, and OUR walmarts. If you say that you do not appreciate these things, then you're not being truthful. The west has achieved more than any other civilization in history, so knock it off. |
Wow, so sorry I was born in YOUR country. I definitely didn't mean to offend the king of America (and therefore the world). Thank you so much Kimbop for personally inventing hospitals, technology, computers, etc. (but of course, your friends helped too!).
Anyway, how does my personal choice prove that western society is superior? Last time I checked, I was just one person, not the entire world. |
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bucheon bum
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| culture wars are stupid and pointless. |
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